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This implies that all electronic communications are insecure.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

While I like odd scenarios, this would be completely impossible to enforce, for one specific reason.

Anything can be a writing implement, it is simply not possible to ban writing as a concept.

You would need to ban litteracy to do that, and that would quickly ruin any country stupid enough to implement a rule like that.

I can absolutely see banning the printing press, xerox machine, and even a normal printer as they all quickly amplifies the message at a low cost, but normal pen/paper has too many uses and are too easy to make to effectivly ban.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

This doesn't speak directly to your question, but in the appendix of the Neal Stevenson book, Cryptonomicron, there are instructions on how to use a deck of cards (technically 2) as a one time pad for encrypting and decrypting messages. This could serve as the foundation for secret messaging using other media than paper.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Gratuitous acts of memery. Cats, Pikachu faces, swole doge and Cheems - you name it. Arcane to the uninitiated, ever so meaningful to the inner circle.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There are several registered cases of coded verbal languages emerging to enable elements of specific groups to communicate between each other without risk of being understood by outside parties.

Jamaican patoá is easy to identify as an example. The grammatical structure and speech speed creates a barrier for outsiders. Add a very plastic use of words and you have a very hard to follow "code".

In the 60/70's, in Greece, a private language emerged between gay men to enable those people, often persecuted, to communicate. It steadilly disappeared as social acceptance rose.

The cockney rimed slang is thought to have arised out of the need of the house staff to be able to freely speak between themselves in front of the employers with no concern from reprimands.

Then there is the prison and army slang.

Any more?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Briar. It was designed just for this. All traffic routes through Tor, it can also send messages using wifi, data, or bluetooth. There are no central servers to hack, seize, or takedown. Pretty much the entire internet would need to be killed off.

As for face-to-face communications - that's been done for centuries to fight the good fight. No reason that can't continue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Use them anyways.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

It's really sad when no one is saying "just talk" 😂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Defiant semaphore

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Goo goo ga ga

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

act deaf, learn sign language, no one actually bothers to know sign language if they're not deaf or near deaf people

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

You can also learn hobo code. Engrave/mark signs in secret places. All you need is a sharp edged rock, a piece of chalk, or even a stick of charcoal.

Banning writing instruments is not realistic unless you’re keeping the entire population indoors in an immaculately clean prison or mental hospital type environment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Learn to read people's minds, a la Pyre

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I can't imagine how supernaturally thorough you would have to be to prevent written communication.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Maybe stop teaching written language, like the taliban did to women

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Impossible. We will teach each other.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I'll get Lil to come over. She's my mother's sister's girl.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I can blink in Morse Code.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I was blinking Torture during Red One

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

mostly speech. probably some looks and gestures till we get somewhere private along with coded speech. symbols, placement of objects.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I communicate by specially timed farting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

And now, the national anthem

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do the right thing consistently. I communicate by example.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You mean the example of getting executed?

Sure thing... 💀

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

If I am executed for disobeying a rule worth dying to disobey, then sure.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You live in a dystopian present. What do you say now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is lemmy.world, not everyone is American.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

Imagine thinking you’re insulated from any of it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I say: The only way to fix healthcare is to do what a wise man did and [Redacted by lemmy.world Admins]!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That wise man didn’t change a thing tho.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I don't think an uprising is going to break out tomorrow as an immediate reaction to his actions.

But at the very least he got a lot of people talking and thinking. People who a year or two ago would call someone "complaining" about the health conglomerates and the way we're getting fucked crazy.

I was that person called crazy, and now my whole family, neighbors, friends, coworkers are fucking pissed and finally waking up. People who I never thought would.

It certainly doesn't stop at health insurance, we're getting killed from 100 different angles. But he got people talking.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

but he did. the oligarchs are terrified and have spent the last two weeks spreading misinformation to make people like you believe nothing changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KksWzAFiojU&t=20

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So then describe all the things that changed.

Oligarchs are scared because they think social unrest will break out. Except it wont because our society is full of weak people.

Meanwhile insurance companies are still taking your premium while at the same time denying you of life saving claims.

Grats.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

so you admit something changed. just because it wasn't the outcome you wanted doesn't mean nothing changed.

civil unrest is shows that people are taking notice.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But there isn’t civil unrest. They are just afraid of it. If that was the change you were looking for then good for you I guess.

Unfortunately our community is just as manipulated, exploited, and vulnerable than it ever has been and that is only getting worse. Since that part hasn’t changed, I’d say everything else is just irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm going to level with you, because it's clear to me that nobody has done this for you.

the change you're waiting for won't ever happen, at least not in the timeline you want it in.

systemic change requires time and voices. civil unrest brings voices together against a common threat.

what the killing of Brian did is focus the public eye onto a real problem of healthcare. now that it's in the public interests it's getting discussed. they are trying to quiet it down and not fan the flames, in hopes the fires of rebellion die.

by saying "nothing has changed" you're just acting as an unwitting pawn in their game to strangle the voice of the people.

don't be a pawn, discuss what has changed and why Brian was killed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Cool. Here’s the thing tho. We need more than discussion. Because like you said things aren’t going to change otherwise. It’s been all talk and no game for decades.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

But imagine... if we all, I mean everyone just [Reacted By lemmy.world Admins]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Macaroni art

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Woodcarving, I'll be passing huge logs with our detailed plans written on it.

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