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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I don't understand why op thinks they are special for going through this workflow. Women are way less likely than men to ignore job requirements when applying for jobs and many many people have to be reminded that job requirements are fluffy. Are all these people "neurodivergent"? We seem to want to apply this term everywhere for some reason.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I think “neurotypical” by now means “I wanna say ‘normie I look down upon’, but I don't want to sound like an incel”

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It's not lying as much as it's advertising. If they're asking about your greatest weakness, tell them. Just don't neglect to mention how you mitigate that weakness too, and are improving. Don't let your answer end on "I'm a disorganized mess", end it on "so in the last year, I've started building and using checklists and it's been really effective".

In the same way, be up front if they ask about the criteria you don't meet. But consider your entire answer, again, you can say something like "I actually haven't worked in that language before, but I've done lots of work in Python and Java, so I'm confident I can pick it up quickly as needed". If they don't ask, then it probably wasn't really that important of a criteria to them, so you shouldn't waste your interview time talking about it either.

Don't volunteer all your worst traits, you only have an hour, so focus on describing your strengths as often as you can. Nobody expects to completely understand you as a person in one hour, they're specifically asking you to come in and advertise yourself. Instead, read between the lines in the listing (I.E. Things mentioned in the job description or title are likely more important than something in a single bullet point. Look for repetition, or how much they talk about each requirement.). Figure out what the "customer" wants that you're good at, and ensure you emphasize it, repeatedly. Define clear takeaways and make sure they know what you're offering, and will actually remember it too.

And practice your answers to many questions. Come up with your best anecdotes for "a time you resolved a conflict with a coworker" and all that nonsense in advance, so that you can confidently segue into those stories that best emphasize your takeaways when asked. Do some research on the company to come up with a good answer to questions like "why do you want to work here?". The answer doesn't have to be your top priority, which is obviously "a paycheque", but just append an unsaid "instead of somewhere else" and answer honestly, because people are good at detecting insincerity. You likely haven't applied to every company on earth, so tell them why you chose them.

Lastly, like an advertiser, don't be afraid to segue from other questions into your prepared answers. "Yeah, I've always loved X, that's why I wanted to work here actually, I'd heard a bit about how you were getting involved with X, but with this interesting twist, and thought that sounded like something I'd really enjoy working on". The interview questions are designed to get you talking about yourself, it's not a survey where the strict questions are all that matter, and you can simply joke about it if the question comes up later.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As an autistic person I relate to this so hard it isn't funny.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

As a non-autistic person, it's also incredibly annoying. Job hunting has always been a really stupid system with lots of really stupid rules of thumbs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Neurotypical people are more "morally flexible." Which sounds like hypocricy and corruption to me. Assume NT's have ultirior motives and it becomes a easier to read between the lines.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Hypocrisy and corruption are easy to breed from that, true. But the NT is also get a nice set of useful tools from it as well, like choosing their battles, and not painting people into corners.

How those tools are used are basically down to core morality and how you want to apply it to your subordinates, co-workers, and management.

I suspect I'm not fully ante and a lot of those lessons were difficult to figure out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

So far, the other comments have failed to realize that this is actually some of our thought process and way of adapting to neurotypical norms.

I will say that after I get used to a person's body language and speech patterns, I tend to ease off of assuming ulterior motives (which has bitten me on the ass once or twice).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I think this is more true than most would like to think.

Reality is more nuanced than the words with which we describe it. A lot of NT "flexibility" is about recognising that. But, it often spills over into what is, really, lying.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Or we understand that a lot of the criteria is just a wishlist, and as long as you meet a significant chunk of it, the rest can be learned in the job.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

I dont know why they do it and I dont care to find out. I just know I apply even if I dont match the complete criteria. If I tick off 60-70% of what they want, I'll apply. We are people, not machines. If something doesnt match but is close to it, we try and make it work. This is how the real world works. There are multiple factors at play and they can work in your favour.

I got my first job which required a college degree and some experience. I had personal (non-professional) experience and no degree. Showed an interest in the work they did, told them I work on my own things from time to time and got hired. What probably worked in my favor was a lack of other applicants showing the same degree of interest. I even told them I'd graduate in a year and we made it a requirement. Never got my degree and worked there for 7 years. No lying, some luck and showing an interest. Same strategy worked two more times (out of two), 1st interview and "wanna come work for us?". Its easier the second time since experience is built up already. And im not some extroverted silver tongued devil or anything. The right interviewer at the right time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have a stable job that I like.

Sometimes I think I should go to interviews just to make recruiters feel insecure, "your business is not up to my expectations" "what do you mean you don't provide flexible remote working?" "Your paycheck is just too small for me, sorry".

I would get a laugh of of it and probably would help some fella by lowering this fuckers ego.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Your motives are horrible. Hiring managers in any org larger than a few hundred people have very little control over anything you mentioned. So you're just taking time away from other applicants and time away from the needs of the people who already work at a place in order to satisfy your pettiness.

If you actually did this rather than just wanting to, you would be the bad guy in the situation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I do this all the time. Keeps my interview skills sharp. Plus you never know when somewhere will wind up making you an insane offer.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's because they're actually lying about the criteria, its more like a wish list than actual requirements. In the interview just say oh I only know a little about criteria x but I'm keen to learn or whatever

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Also if you lie on the application, aren't they able to use that as an easy out to fire/lay you off without needing anything further?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If you actually lie, sure. But since you seem not to have applied for a job before: Typically you provide a resume. Your resume is supposed to be a true representation of your career focusing on what they say they want but without lying. Then they compare their wish list against what you have and see if the match is close enough then they talk to you. There is no "lying on the application" unless you lie on your resume.

And if you lie on your resume in a provable way (ie not "I said I knew this tool but really I just watched someone use it once" but more "I worked at this company and decided voluntarily to leave when in fact they fired me") yes it could be used to get you out, but that's well into stupid territory.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't consider myself neurodivergent but I do consider this issue one of the greatest barriers with my finding employment. I was raised to despise lying, and enough bad experiences have made me consider 'massaging the truth' to be the exact same thing.

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