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While it's very unlikely that someone has a definitive answer, this question popped into my head after the assassination of the UHC CEO and it's been bothering me that I can't shake off this feeling that more is likely to happen (maybe not in higher frequency but potential).

Usually I could provide counter-arguments to myself in a realism/(should I buy apples or oranges comparison) kind-of sense but this one I feel more unsure about.

I wish I had more diverse exp in systems analysis as these kinds of questions that linger in my head really irritates my OCD brain as I just want to know what's the most likely answer.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

You might feel happy about this in your far left wonderland. But in the real world, the consequence of stuff like this spreading will be that CEOs will acquire better security, nobody will ever be able to even glance at them without getting tasered and you the consumer are going to pay for all of it.

Changing the social security system into a centralized one might work, but note that scandinavia (the place that has championed such systems) is having pretty big problems with their health care systems as well.

Perhaps IT work has tarnished my political mind as well, but I tend to think more and more that it's not about the ideology, but about the implementation that matters.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If people can protest for higher taxes on the wealthy, and ensure that money is spent on social services that would be a great start. I don’t know about other countries, but why the fuck can’t America do a Nordic model of socialism?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Swede here, first of all, we don't have socialism here, we have a social democratic system here.

Secondly, the words socialism/communism have been tarnished over decades in the US, people have been taught to immediately reject those words regardless of their context.

So if the US can ever get a social democratic system, it needs a rebrand.

It needs something like "The Great America Deal"

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Ha, I wish.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

nope but the middle class that is left is about to take a good fucking

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We're the same people we were a week ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ferdinand was trying to help the Serbian people.

They shot themselves when they shot him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Just curious but are we heading towards an "eat the rich" society?

I guess we should be, but that's just my personal opinion.

Realistically, no. The people have clearly expressed how dumb they are and what they desire in the November election. They want dumb Republicans, they get asshole CEOs. I don't see it any other way.

Honestly, I believe voting is the best way to bring change about a society that wants to change. It's just that I have given up the thought that the US wants to change in the direction that I would go. So no, it's not gonna happen.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They voted for Trump, but not because they actually wanted a bunch of asshole CEOs in power. The electorate wanted real transformative change; they're looking for anyone who can offer even a hope of some bold transformative change. The only party offering real change right now is the Republicans. Democrats just want to offer a few piddly means-tested tax credits like they usually do, while doing absolutely nothing to actually rein in corporate wealth and power. Kamala's flagship domestic policy was a $25k home tax credit that only a sliver of the populace would be eligible for; and it would only serve to bid up housing prices.

Like it or not, the Republicans did actually have answers for people. They aren't good or noble answers, but they were answers. Democrats were too chickenshit to run on a platform of "CEOS are ruining your life, we need to come down like the hammer of God on the greedy oligarchs." The Republicans in turn ran on a platform of, "the reason your life sucks is a bunch of DEI programs are putting unqualified people ahead of you. We'll end that. Illegal immigrants are taking your job opportunities, and we'll deport them all. House prices are too high, so we'll deport 20 million immigrants and lower them!"

Those are abominable answers to the problems we face, but they actually had an answer, however evil and ultimately unproductive. Yes, obviously deporting millions of immigrants won't actually help people, but it doesn't matter. The Republicans actually had an answer to the question, "what transformative change will you do to improve the lives of Americans?"

Democrats had no answer. And for that, they lost.

People are hungry for dramatic change. They feel the system is rigged, and they are right. Democrats were too cowardly to take up that message and push for change against the corporate class, and that left Republicans as the only party offering any real change.

You don't need to radically transform society to want change; the country already clearly wants change. The fundamental problem is the only ones offering change are the Republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope so. We need more organization though. The biggest hurdle to "us" as the majority is that we suck at working together and looking past differences for the greater good. And they will use every tool like media, social media, TV, film, and more to keep us that way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

And they will use every tool like media, social media, TV, film, and more to keep us that way.

You forgot about the giant holy cow in the room.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

Excuse me while I have a good laugh.

The problem is that it hasn't been happening enough. Don't get too ahead of yourself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The system is extremely flawed but works just well enough for a plurality of people to feel like they are getting something out of it. I think it would need to collapse in such a way as to affect more people if there was a chance it would be replaced

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What does 'NOM' stand for?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"NOM" is an onomatopoeic term for eating (an eating sound).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is correct, it is not meant to be an initialism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Nah it looks like they're just throwing them back on the streets.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's certainly part of the catabolic stage in the system's decay. Due to many reasons, both at the input side and the "drowning in waste" side (example: GHGs waste causing climate destabilization), growth is going to falter which means that the "sharing" strategy of the rich, of the oligarchs, is going to stop working. You may know it as "grow the pie" (instead of "share the pie"). The rich get richer, the rest get poorer, and there are going to be a lot of poor people. That means a lot of desperate people and a lot of people with nothing left to lose.

What you have to watch out for is perhaps two strategies that can stop this:

  1. Scapegoating: vulnerable minorities and more. The rich of a certain ethnicity may become the scapegoats, instead of .... you know, ALL of that class. This would be a misdirection of attention.
  2. Jingoism, chauvinism and various forms of ultra-nationalism. This would be a misdirection of violence... instead of "punching up", it becomes "punching the foreign threat", which means war.
  3. Combined 1 & 2. It's usually called fascism.

Something to print:

On a related note, I really liked the recent season of "Arcane" (both seasons are great). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11126994/

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

One can hope.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No its just one event. The first time I've seen this on Lemmy and I can't blame people for not being sad about it.

Anything else would be Stockholm syndrome.

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