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Survey of 154 scholars places 45th president behind even ‘historically calamitous chief executives’ linked to civil war

Donald Trump finished 45th and rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness, trailing even “historically calamitous chief executives” who failed to stop the civil war or botched its aftermath.

Worse for the likely Republican nominee this year, his probable opponent, Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.

“Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump, resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall,” Justin Vaughn and Brandon Rottinghaus, the political scientists behind the survey, wrote in the Los Angeles Times.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

The real takeaway is that America has had like three presidents that were good across centuries. The rest are pretty dogshit.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago

A great president is one who expanded the institution of the president,

Yea, I don't know if this definition of greatness is very good

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (4 children)

People who should be lower: Jackson, Wilson, and Reagan. Fuck those guys.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Trump's so much worse than any of those guys. He's literally promising to end democracy in the USA and to imprison his political opponents if he wins the next election. None of those others went that far.

Not to mention him being convicted of massive fraud while in office and fomenting a riot against the capitol to try to prevent the democratic election process from occurring. I mean this stuff is absolutely nuts and unlike anything any other president has done.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Jackson committed genocide against native Americans, so I think that's worse.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

can they just be tied for last?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Reagan can be next to last. He's done more damage to modern America than all others but Trump

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (20 children)

He was tough on the USSR, at least. Obama and Biden not arming Ukraine enough before the conflicts caused Russia to be more successful than it has any right to be

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