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Please don't auto downvote before reading.

A little bit ago some asked a question about why the hate of the blockchain, and that got me thinking if there even was a legitimate use case where the blockchain would be beneficial, but I couldn't think of one outside maybe some sort of decentralized bank, but before I knew I was thinking it would instantly turn into some crypto scheme and strapped it, because crypto currencies are a scam on every level -- and no they aren't private or secret as some think either.

So I wanted to ask the community. Instead of using the blockchain for crypto, is there a better use where the blockchain could benefit society?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Just fraud. Nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd say in theory it could be used something like public records of proof for ownership of immaterial or intellectual property and the transfer thereof. Say the rights to music, writing, digital art and whatnot. Like the essence of NFT without the hyped up crypto bro speculation and pump'n'dump.

The difficulty would be to get it recognized as legally valid and the bigger difficulty that as there is no central authority there is also nobody being able to rectify fraud or user mistakes. If you implement central authority it's basically just any old list of transactions with some extra crud so then the question would be why even bother.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So in theory it would be terrible to use as proof for ownership.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a good way to pay for illicit drugs, weapons, anything really, that you ordered using TOR, or your favorite unattributable communications technique. If you believe there are laws that should not be, that's good. If you are in favor of those laws, not so much.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The general category of potential use case is when you want some information to be public, undeletable, and outside of corporate or government control.

While I can’t think of a compelling use case at the moment (other than whistleblowers, maybe), given the direction our corporations and government are going it seems like the sort of thing that might become increasingly useful in the near future.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not even good as a bank. On the other thread you mentioned I commented that blockchain is an immutable ledger visible to everyone. That is a nightmare for privacy reasons.

Audit logs is genuinely the only application I see it may be good for, but we have other systems that have a smaller environmental and technical impact making them a better fit than blockchain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I remember exploring how it could be a way to secure digital Democratic elections. Any thoughts on this?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The most attractive part about blockchain is the decentralized ledger showing each transaction made.

I feel like greater minds than mine could come up with a way to use that to fight government corruption. Every transaction is a matter of public record.

I doubt it's really a practical solution though. Each transaction makes each subsequent transaction more computationally expensive. Plus all these vendors and contractors and everything are accustomed to fiat currency. Likely, they'd just immediately exchange it for cash.

This of course doesn't tackle the issue of under-the-table corruption where you invite a senator out for lunch and kickbacks. I'm also sure that the government would want to maintain their own ledger, or that conniving people will find a way to cook the books anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The most attractive part about blockchain is the decentralized ledger showing each transaction made.

This is probably the key thing. Let's say that you wanted to purchase a home in Turkey but you live in Canada (just play along). A transaction on the blockchain can show a verified transfer of funds, record the purchase and act as proof of ownership.

As you mentioned, the big issue is computational expense.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But is this actually a problem. Does people go around now and need proof that they bought some property?

To me it seems like blockchain is a solution looking for problems that doesn’t really exist.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, my original thought was that you could see a record to show that a public works contract put forth by Politician Joe and awarded to ABC Roadwork Inc, and then later you'd see that most of the contract money ended up in Joe's cousin's investment account.

And again, I don't think it's foolproof because ABC would just immediately convert everything into cash to pay their vendors. But it's still nice to think about alternatives even if we know they might be impractical because hey, that's how we come up with better alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we're imaging a world where corporations and governments would agree to this level of accountability, wouldn't it be eaiser to just make certain financial transactions into public records?

Currently we consider some things public records (registering a company y, the voting roll) and other things private (income and taxes, bank transactions). If there was the will to chnage things we could just make the financial records of all elected government officials and corporations with government contracts automatically publically accessible. This doesn't need block chain, a law could be passed deeming these "in the public interest" such that banks would have no grounds to refuse a request from journalists or any citizens to access them.

This would be a lot simpler and cheaper than block chain. But its unlikely to happen for the same reason that block chain won't be used for this either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Sure, I suppose any public record is a public record. And you're right, as much as I'd love to see it and it'd be good for the world, I don't imagine it happening in my lifetime.

I suppose either way an unscrupulous person might find a way to launder their money.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Thank you. I’ve been saying for years that blockchain should replace government records for all public domain applications.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know several privacy focused apps use it for syncing data between multiple clients. For example Google Chrome syncs user data to your Google account, but Brave browser syncs user data using block chain.

I don't know if it's actually the best way to do that, but it's an option.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Its only real use is as dark money. Which isn't always a bad thing - there are a lot of activists in oppressive countries who rely on bitcoin donations, Anarchist Black Cross comes to mind.

But, as you said, it's not really as "dark" as people think.

I seem to recall someone developing a "game" that was based on the blockchain but used to crowdsource protein folding models or something like that? I could be mixing two memories though. I could see how the concept could possibly be implemented for something like that, but I wonder if it couldn't be handled more energy-efficiently by like a single quantum computer doing calculus.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

I'm going to say "no", at least in the practical sense.

Before "AI" was the current hype, there was an equally annoying "Blockchain all the things" hype (and associated cryptobros partially fueling it). Aside from the various crypto scams, I'm not entirely sure if/where it found its niche. The fact that everything today isn't running on blockchain like the hype of yesteryear predicted is pretty solid evidence that it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be.

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