"people able to look around and engage with reality vote against Trump"
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How does a political party engage with those that ARE NOT WILLING to be engaged as voters. Its a losing situation that doesnt seem to be getting better. How do we get across to the braindead masses that their attention to policies will help them vote more effectively if they dont actually care to vote more effectively. Its fucking infuriating.
It's about having a coherent message.
What exactly were Kamala's biggest goals? In other words, if she could accomplish just three things in office, what would those three things have been? Can anyone answer that question? Does anyone know?
Because you certainly can with Trump. He wanted to deport millions of people, raise a bunch of tariffs, and exterminate trans people. Those were the three things he ran on.
What Democrats repeatedly fail to understand is that having a policy paper on your website is NOT THE SAME THING as actually having policy positions. You can't just point to something on your website, written by a staffer, as what you support.
I voted for Kamala, but I still to this day have not a damn idea what the woman actually stood for. Sure, she had official policies, but she never had any core issues that she hammered on again, and again, and again. She never had an effective 'elevator pitch' for why she should be president, other than just that she isn't Trump.
Democrats need to pick 3-5 things for an election cycle, 3-5 major policy positions. And then they, all of them, need to repeatedly and endlessly hammer home those things.
Maybe by presenting a coherent philosophy of governing that isn’t just blowing the already powerful? The Dems could have run on what Walz did in MN. Tons of amazing policies that he implemented on narrow margins. He was vocal about defending marginalized folk. He was helping the common person.
Instead, Harris said she wouldn’t do anything different from Biden. I wasn’t even motivated by the time I voted. Voting for a person who just wanted the status quo was super unexciting.
There is no more hope, society is collapsing already. Look out for yourself, those around you have already demonstrated that they don’t care about others.
Surprise surprise. The ignorant fell for the party that excels in spreading misinformation, hate, and fear.
The real shocker here is we learned the ignorant account for the majority in America now.
Dark future.
Even with those only 5 points ahead? Are you fucking kidding me? Is everyone stupid?
Nah, there's plenty of bigots in there, too. Granted, there is significant overlap.
Dems need a PAC that mails out those scary postcards like Republicans do.
- “Trump wants to deport you.”
- “Trump wants higher prices”
- “Trump wants you to pay more for private schooling.”
Etc. Etc.
I suppose they can start that now. But they don't have to brand Trump with it but the entire Republican party. Let the shit stain soil the Republicans, as aggressively as Biden was attacked.
Just everytime a stupid decision comes about, costing you more, send a postcard. "Hey, hope you like paying more, hope you like all your jobs leaving for China, hope you like hurricanes, droughts and severe weather, XOXO from your Republican friends".
Basically democrats won the people that were actively paying attention, and conservatives one the people that were passively hearing about yet election.
People disliked when I just said this after the election and now it's just a fact.
dems didn't stay at home
So, really, Trump won because people simply didn't bother to show up.
This is how EVERY conservative wins.
Every. Single. Fucking. Time. It's been half a century of backsliding because of a lack of willingness to vote strategically (or at all). The reason that Dems were able to keep pushing right is because there was no pressure from my fellow leftists that would rather throw the toys out of the pram and make the world worse than dedicate the slightest amount of effort to long-term improvement.
Highly engaged voters are invested and take the time to understand policy and nuance. Generally this is not the case. All the others are just trying to get through the day. So you cannot win them over with policy and nuances.
You need to show big, bold initiative and follow through.
The Democratic party could not even prosecute a guy who tried to murder Congress. So the thinking goes - Why the fuck would someone vote for them when they do fuck all?
Hell if someone tried to murder you and you just gave up and went about your way, no one would trust you to do anything of substance. That is the problem with the Democratic party today.
The Democratic party could not even prosecute a guy who tried to murder Congress. So the thinking goes - Why the fuck would someone vote for them when they do fuck all?
It was never the Democrats job to do that. It was congress's. Democrats did try. And they absolutely could have done better in many areas. I'm not defending them on that. But we need to also recognize that a large portion of Congress was flattered and extremely impressed that Trump was able to sic so many people on them. That they had no choice but to eagerly and gladly defend him while sucking up for him. Conservatives love an authoritarian. And without a few conservatives. Democrats were and never did accomplish much of anything.
What I am trying to say is, it doesn't matter whose job it was. People vote for a leader. It was up to the leaders to make it happen. That happened to be the president. It's nothing more complex than that.
Hell if someone tried to murder you and you just gave up and went about your way, no one would trust you to do anything of substance. That is the problem with the Democratic party today.
I agree that the democrats needed a big bold message, but this is a strange metaphor. If someone tried to murder you and you just went about your way, people would... Vote for the murderer, I guess?
That is how the godfather works.
The Democratic party could not even prosecute a guy who tried to murder Congress. So the thinking goes - Why the fuck would someone vote for them when they do fuck all?
The "thinking" was instead to vote for the guy who tried to murder Congress?
The point of this article is that Trump was elected by those who did very little thinking at all.
They just didn’t vote at all, which is kinda the same thing but there’s nuance to it even still.
So Democrats won with people who were invested in keeping Trump away from Presidency and failed virtually every other demographic?
Yes, Democrats failed them. It's kinda their whole thing.