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That setup is not for everyone but if I had to get a new set right now I'd buy a medium sized fridge with a glass door (I already have a small one in my office and I love being able to see what's inside without leaving the door open, the brand is called Klarstein) and a chest freezer. Chest freezers are way more efficient because the cold air stays put when you open them and they're just practical for using all of the available space.

I bought a new fridge freezer recently. It was tricky because of limited width, but I'm happy with the Bosch I chose (it was on special). Freezer's at the bottom, with drawers, which I've grown to appreciate. I was also dubious about the bigger veggie drawer, but actually it's great.

Smart/App:

1. Ignore the App and "buhuuu smarrrtt bad"!warning here and rather look at the brand more exactly and do your own due diligence. Is a cloud app bad? Yes,maybe. (But tbh, the amount of information given out is somewhat negligible here) BSH (Bosch-Siemens Hausgeräte, incl. Neff and Gagenau) offers HomeConnect that at least is within GDPR reach. Even better: If you already have a Home Assistant instance running there is a "Home Connect local" integration that,well, gives you the important benefits while keeping it local. Liebherr offers the "Smart Box" as an upgrade that your install yourself,but as far as I know there is no proper way to keep it offline. But Liebherr has a fair share of privacy certifications at least (and a lot to loose as loosing them for their "sidemarket" of household cooling appliances and thereby fucking over their professional market would really bite them..not that that is a guarantee, but...maybe it helps..

There are a few Asian brands that work with Tuya (which is a data security/privacy nightmare) but also support Tuya local (without cloud).

The information security risk for these solutions,especially when using proper network segmentation (which is easily done - if you aren't into IT then get a Omada combined router and be done in 1h).. Last but not least: You can of course smarten up your fridge yourself. Get a binary door opening sensor, wireless temperature probe and most importantly a power measuring plug (Nous A1T are Tasmota based and cheap) so you can find out early if your device fucks up.

Besides that'Considering the energy prices here get the most efficient one you can afford. It will get amortization sooner than you think.

I had one with a bottom freezer and also a side by side and hated them both. A traditional top door freezer really is the best.

We've been happy with our Bosch.

In my experience side by sides are the least efficient use of their space. Its hard to stack most frozen foods up tall and narrow because they slide around and will slide out the front every time you open the door. Freezer top or freezer bottom units can be packed a lot more efficiently since it maximizes horizontal space and I vastly prefer them.

"Nothing smart" is the only other appliance rule.

Liebherr is European and good. Expensive though.

Depth is the measurement most forget, check it fits. A deeper one is a good way to get more capacity.

Make a decision on your fridge freezer split. I do a lot of batch cooking, so went for 50/50 to get more room in the freezer.

This is not helpful but I just want to kvetch. It seems like any appliances you buy nowadays are just so shitty compared to even ten years ago. Even brands that have long been reliable are so hit or miss. I have a mini-fridge that's almost 30 years old and still works fine. I keep being tempted to buy one with a better freezer or that's more energy-efficient but I worry it would kick the bucket and be unrepairable within 5 years.

Small thing, but if you're torn between two or more choices look and see if one uses accessible screws to attach handles. Mine are kind of snap on and one of them is loose. I'm thinking I have a 30% chance of breaking something plastic during removal and having to buy a completely new handle.

Make sure that the door style you choose fits with the space you have available. My fridge is kind right by pathway, so we have the dual-door style, to minimize blocking the path.

I also like using magnets on the fridge. Iirc, some stainless steel refrigerators aren't magnet-sticky (10 pts if you can tell me what word I forgot).

Get one with as few chips and features outside of it making things cold. The dumber your fridge/freezer the less problems you'll have.

I prefer an under fridge drawer style frezzer. I find it easier to use and less likely to have to chase a frozen whatever across the kitchen.

Stainless or white smooth finishes can work as a whiteboard for DRY ERASE markers.

If you want an ice maker do NOT get an in door model. Those will freeze up and break non-stop. Get a top fridge/bottom freezer with ice maker in the freezer. There is less of a thaw freeze cycle in the integrated cube maker vs the in door version. That's what breaks in door ice makers.

If you're interested in energy efficiency, here's a great video from Technology Connections!

Yes the headline is about chest freezers, but he just uses that as an example of highest possible efficiency before getting into other design of fridge/freezers

You can get a freezer that makes sphere ice. Do what you will with that information.

I've always went with the freezer compartment below, and the fridge "on top".

It's just so much more convenient.

Also, go with ventilated cold if you can, there is zero ice buildup and no "cold corners" (like you find out the salad just froze in the fridge because it was stuck against one of the cold walls) with that system.

Good luck!

It's worth it to pay extra for anything that doesn't need an app or WiFi connectivity.

Those are huge red flags. Avoid anything "smart" like the plauge.

Appliances with "smart features" are simply scraping your whole home, not just your phone, for data to sell to advertisers. Very often the app or even the company won't outlive the appliance itself, so as happens frequently, in 2 years you'll be stuck with a perfectly workable appliance that refuses to work because some server in China went offline.

Not a Samsung. My wife used to be a big fan, but the last two brand new Samsung fridges broke within weeks, and their product support was terrible.

(Our current fridge is LG and we haven’t had any problems with it. There are probably other brands that are also reliable and well built).

We switched from side-by-side to a pullout drawer freezer on bottom and could not be happier. Side-by-side really limits your storage space, whereas top and bottom units allow you to store larger or unusually shaped things. And having the freezer in a drawer is clutch, way better than having it on top

Don't get an in-door ice maker. If you have to have an ice maker, have it internal to the unit.

Check out what maintenance you need to do before you buy it, and how easy the maintenance will be given the space you're putting the unit into. Like, if it's a tight fit and surrounded on three sides, cleaning the coils might be problematic, etc.

most or should i rather say all of fridge nowadays has "auto defrost" systems that lets you forget about drain pans. Initially, most would think that it is a neat design in which the heated freon pipe passes over the drainpan and evaporates the defrosted liquid/water.

unfortunately, thats a very nasty design, its like a ticking timebomb that forces you to purchase a new fridge every <10 yrs

the copper freon pipe would go on a cycle of heating up, getting exposed to water, dries up and repeates the cycle over and over. Take note that metal + water + air = rust

and these rust can cause freon leaks and makes your fridge useless, also, these fixes costs like MF(almost half the price of a bnew fridge)

I would advise DIYing a flexible tube on its drain hole and routing it on a condensate pump, I would not advise routing it to a sewer line because nasty sewer gas will get in the fridge.

Fridge ice machines always break first. Just don't buy such a headache. Silicon ice cube trays are fine I don't really get how the ice machine is all that much more convenient. You have to clean them too which IMO undoes the few seconds saved not filling an ice cube tray once a week. They can also jam with fused cubes, what a PITA!

Frost free freezer, it's a pain in the arse defrosting. You do lose a tiny bit of capacity but it's a trade off with making imo

Something that works without WiFi.

The classic ones with the freezer on top are the most reliable but the hardest to deal with as you age as youll have to squat. they will all fail though. if your flat has room get a chest freezer and use fridge separately do that. check out technology connections on YouTube for some good general advice.

Look into the reviews to see if it cools evenly. I've seen surprisingly many fridges/freezers that have "hot spots" which is less than ideal

Having spent a year selling appliances at Home Depot, I will rank the following brands of refrigerator in order of quality. Beyond that, it really just comes down to features.

• LG - they used to have a lot of problems with their compressors, but they solve that a couple of years ago. They make honestly the best refrigerators for the money. They come in some cool designs.

• GE - if LG is the “modern look”, then GE is the “traditional look“. That’s not to say that GE doesn’t make very lovely refrigerators – – they do. And they are very high-quality as well. However, unlike LG, the lower end GE refrigerators aren’t as high in quality as the lower and LG refrigerators.

• Samsung - some of the most pretty most expensive most feature filled refrigerators. And they’re absolute fucking garbage. You’ll own it for two or three years before something. Major goes wrong. Within five years you’ll have to replace it. And, again, they cost, hundreds, even thousands of dollars, more than their competitors. Avoid Samsung appliances at all costs.