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NGL, not asking for a friend. Given the current trends in US politics, it seems prudent to at least look into it.

Most of the online content on the topic seems to be by immigration attorneys hustling ultra rich people. I'm not ultra rich. I have a job in tech, could work remotely, also have enough assets to not desperately need money if the cost of living were low enough.

I am a native English speaker, fluent enough in Spanish to survive in a Spanish speaking country. I am old, male, cis, hetero, basically asexual at this point. I am outgoing, comfortable among strangers.

What's good and bad about where you live? Would it be OK for a outsider, newcomer?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Here in Scotland / the UK you'd be absolutely fine so long as you're a decent person. There's not even a language barrier beyond dialect, and dialects vary hugely within the UK and each part of the UK anyway. Just please don't insist that your great-great-grandmother is actually from Clan MacWhatever.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I'm roughly between b2 and c1 in German after living here for 2 years. I met another American who has lived here for 12 years and spoke lower than a1 german. I could only speak to him in English. Don't be like that guy.

I'd say currently in Germany it's all depending on which state you pick. Bayern z.B. is the most international place I've ever lived. The people here (speaking from my view point) are very loving and caring. I feel my day with small talk and jokes and have no problem making friends, which is the opposite of what I read from others on the internet.

So I guess it all depends on where you live, how hard you work to integrate yourself, and most importantly is TRY to learn the language for gods sake.

Either way best of luck to you and enjoy your journey!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In my country you'd be locked up at a random moment of your stay. Tortured in prison, used as a trading chip in a complex web of international intrigue and diplomacy. Accused of terrorism. Paraded for political manipulation of the masses. Then unceremoniously put in a plane to Canada so US authorities can go pick you up. But it would be very nice and welcoming up to that point.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I would be doing that too, but you got to understand that other countries have other cultures, some things wil be better like free heathcare and better labour laws but other are not "as good". In europe they do control a lot of things we can access on the internet for example. If someone doesn't comply with an EU regulation they will be punished, it's not 'freedom of speach" without consequences like in the US. Also being entitled like many americans are will not work here. So like everything in life some people will be a good match for.one country and others for other countries.

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 day ago (8 children)

First of all, stop using word "expat" when you're talking of immigrants but from "better countries"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd love to see countries mark "expat" as an option on forms...

Just as a trap to filter them all out.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I always understood that you refer to yourself and your fellow countrymen abroad as expats. You use the word immigrant when referring to others.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Ive usually seen "Expat" defined as someone working in another country, but explicitly with the intent to be there temporarily and leave once their time at that job ends, rather than moving there with an intent to stay and join that society. Which, granted, doesnt seem to be what OP is actually talking about in this case.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Thats just the expats changing the narrative when people started calling them out on it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Canada would be easy, but you cannot just go there and work

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I think you'd be fine here in Australia but that depends on whether you have a job or not. Australia is good for anyone who comes with employment already. Otherwise its Work And Holiday visa pathways are better suited to younger people because of the usually physical and demanding nature of the jobs available.

Otherwise Argentina would also be legally okay for you, however I haven't lived there for a very long time so I can't say for sure. It would be a lot less safe for foreigners than Australia but I hear it wouldn't be more rough than some of the rough places in the US. You will want a stable source of income ideally from a remote job, such as freelancing for clients that can pay with dollars or euros. You will also want a friend who's native or already well established so they can teach you the ropes socially/locally and with the current state of the country. I would personally not go back to Argentina without a stable income because making a livable income inside the country is going to be next to impossible.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

If you're a nurse or some other skilled professional in some specific fields... We have kind of a labor shortage with some jobs here in Germany. I live in the city, should be okay for outsiders. I guess.

I'd recommend to visit a place before considering to move. See how the people act. And you'd need to learn the language to be able to take part in regular every day life. (Edit: And for most jobs.)

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Depends how they behave. If they behave like "Expats", who don't care about integrating into our society, don't care about learning the local language even after years, they are not welcome.

If they integrate seamless (and this does not imply giving up their identity, just to make sure), and become a good member of this society, be welcome.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

When I here Expat I assume asshole xD

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You would literally lose your job and social life in the US if you said this in America about immigrants lol

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i barely integrate now as an american; mostly because of my neuro-divergence makes it easy for people to misread me due my intonation and body language and the number episodes of misunderstanding happened MUCH MORE frequently when i visited my potential new home country as a tourist over the last 40ish years.

i automatically qualify for citizenship for the country and i wonder what it's going to be like if i have to live there because i have both legal and cultural claim to the country; but i'm very much american plus an american that always seems arrogant and callous to everyone no matter how much he tries.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you speak the country's language already?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

Summed it up pretty well.

We love our country, and welcome you to join it. But join us - don't bring your country's problems here.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Lots of Americans here in London, UK. They've generally been transferred by their company though. I expect it's v hard to get in when applying for a new job.

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