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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No analysis of how the older generations that turned out for Obama and Kerry went even harder for Trump than Gen Z ? Gen X went Trump by 22 percent.

Gen Z is doing their best and if you put this all on them then you're going to lose the next election too.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They about to be thrown off mom and dads insurance and learn the hard way about the "team" they voted for.

Not to mention the fact that inflation is about to go through the roof and there will be food shortages when they start deporting migrants.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"But that is far from a sturdy monolith. It can, and should, be easily conquered. All it takes is a platform that authentically offers something—anything—to youth voters. As they’ve proved, time and time again, they’ll listen."

Democrats: Sorry, we'll talk a big game and then just have 2 fuckwit Senators ruin everything. Don't worry though I promise next time will be the same!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In before Newsom or Shapiro nominee in 2028. (that is, in the far-fetched scenario we still have real elections).

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its never been up to a single generation anyway

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When the link snaps open the entire chain is broken.

It is up to every generation.

[–] [email protected] 182 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Gen Z grew up on social media. The same that spreads the propaganda, the fake information and the toxic masculinity bullshit.

They also grew up with an impossible social economic context where they barely have any hope. Trump's making promises to make the country great again. What have they got to lose?

Why is anyone surprised?

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What have they got to lose?

Gay marriage, contraception, porn, legal divorce? Just off the top of my head.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People are surprised that they grew up with tech and are more susceptible to the propaganda than previous generations. People are also surprised at how vile and uncaring young men have turned into, they want to “own the libs” no matter the cost. They like seeing the pain they cause

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

They grew up with tech without understanding it, which is a big difference from millennials.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (10 children)

they want to “own the libs” no matter the cost. They like seeing the pain they cause

I have a hard time believing this.

When you actually talk to the kind of young, Gen Z men that regularly spout right-leaning propaganda, generally speaking, you don't see people who enjoy suffering.

You see young men who are suffering themselves, but are given no outlet by society to express or fix it, and are heavily propagandized to by fascists who know that by creating arbitrary divides, (the most common one you'll see with these young men being "men vs women," think Andrew Tate type rhetoric) they can redirect the anger of these young men from systems to other individuals and groups that aren't the actual cause of their problems.

When young men are the specific, designated target of right-wing propaganda, which explicitly tries to tell them that "men used to have it better," and actively tries to make them believe that they're not strong enough, not good looking enough, and not rich enough, then of course you'll get young men that feel, in some ways justifiably, shunned.

To put it how Jason Stanley put it in his book, aptly named How Fascism Works, "Misogyny is what faces women when patriarchal expectations are left unfulfilled."

Those expectations never need to have actually been reality, but just the very expectation that they should have those things can make them feel slighted.

But remember, while these young men are angry, sad, and scared, they still don't enjoy causing pain. (I'm talking broadly of course, you'll always be able to find some crazy dudes if you look enough) They just feel like they haven't been given what they deserve.

Just like the rest of Gen Z.

The only thing that makes them different is the fact they believe the source of their suffering is a different group of people.

I'm not excusing any of their behavior or beliefs, far from it. But claiming that young men enjoy inflicting pain on others because they hold beliefs that make them feel slighted by society is just plain wrong in the vast majority of cases.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I don't think that's what they meant. What they meant is that those who adhere to the virilist ideologies found online are the ones who do. Because apparently violence and aggressive behaviour is viril.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a Gen-X I will never blame the later generations. Especially Gen Z and younger, if I was in their shoes I'd be livid. You bring me into this mess and then tell me it's on me to fix it? F U

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

As a Gen-Xer, we got the benefit of the boomers taking almost all the air out of the room, and their parents thinking our generation was even worse than the boomers. The boomers mostly ignored us, called us slackers, etc....some time goes by and we are getting lumped in with the boomers and the "greatest generation" and getting blamed for all the problems, so that's been fun.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Millenials appear to have been peak liberal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think the ones that elected FDR 4 times have us beat

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First generation seen moving left as it ages and a reverse tendency might be happening with the Z men while the Z women are much more left leaning. It might also be part of why Z men seem so much farther right, the women of their generation are much farther left than women of previous generations so the division is much more clear. In truth the men might not be much further right than men of previous generations were when it comes to the policies they agree with, we just didn't pay as much attention to it back then...

Just some stuff they were talking about on the radio a few weeks ago...

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Watching TNG reruns nightly as an 8 year old really gave me some hope for humanity’s potential.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Same. Le sigh 😕

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago

We were teenagers under dubya and the iraq war. Depending on how much the country swings into actual fascism this time, gen alpha might wind up standing for general anarchism

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