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The reality is that it always takes time for some states to count all the votes; when these rumors started ramping up, there were over ten million uncounted ballots in California alone. But, many people don't know that this is how things always work. So, with emotions high in the aftermath of the election, disinformation purveyors are taking advantage of the opportunity to get well-intentioned people to help amplify conspiracy theories.

If you see allegations of "millions of missing votes" or voting machine fraud, please don't amplify them! Instead:

  • If it's somebody you know, send them a private message letting them know that they're unintentionally amplifying a false rumor.

  • If it's not somebody you know, report it to the moderators as disinformation.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got in line to vote. It was a very short line.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't know why so many people are hurt by this statement. The turnout was abysmal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because all of you sick fuckers don't even keep your kids home when they go to school. Then I gotta share a common space with the same people? Nah. I'm good. I vote by mail so I don't get exposed to your cooties.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

I keep mine home when they are sick... but there is some evidence that reduced exposure to illness is actually bad for your health. So get out there and roll in the cooties a little.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

One reason people might be annoyed by this is because it sounds like you don't realize how many people had to wait in four-hour long lines.

Anyhow, turnout wasn't abysmal, it looks like be down a bit from 2020's record numbers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the perspective. I guess I got in at a good time, and I didn't hear any reports of long lines in my area.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah, a lot depends on where you live. Check out these lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wmMobN4AVw And they're far from the worst! I just did a search on "four hour voting lines" and it happened in Chicago, New Jersey, UC Irvine, Northeast Ohio ...and that's just the first page of search results.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

A guilty conscience

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Just accept the fact that the elections were functioning as intended with some expected hiccups as they so have every big presidential election. I had to get my ballot cured in 2016, it wasn't a conspiracy, just people doing the best they can.

There's no massive voter fraud, no machines flipping their shit. Just shitty fucking Americans as per usual.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago

Good point, thousands of ballots being destroyed and forged definitely isn't voter fraud

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yep. The only real election fuckery is fox news, christianity and russia poisoning people's minds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Hey! Give Elon a little credit! He tried so hard!!!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Man this election was so cooked it came with a side of fries and two sachets of ketchup fml

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How so?

I'm not picking I fight, I just want to know your thoughts on it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Well I’m not American and not any kind of political expert so take it with a pinch of salt. My suspicion is that the republicans put their fat greasy fingers on the scales to ensure victory. That’s certainly what it looks like from the outside. Everyone knew Dunlop turnip was going to win weeks in advance. Tim Cook et al meeting with him to discuss tariffs, Bezos trying to quash the Harris endorsement. The fix was in. Musk is literally a conman with a hotline to the worlds least surprising piss enthusiast Vladimir ~~illych~~ putin. It was cooked. Good and proper, top to bottom. Also election predictions guy put his reputation on the line to say Harris would win, and the only other time he’s been wrong is 2000 - less said the better. It’ll all come out.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Only conservatives are allowed to claim election fraud, even if the evidence is literally incontrovertible that republicans stole it. Nice

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What's the evidence you find "literally incontrovertible"?

The comparison is apt though:

  • In 2020, almost all non-partisan voting rights organizations and election experts (as well as most Republicans, despite losing) were saying that there was in fact no evidence of widespread election fraud. So conservatives claiming election fraud were seen as conspiracy theorists who were spreading disinfo (either intentionally or because they really thought there was evidence).

  • In 2024, almost all non-partisan voting rights organizations and election experts (as well as most Democrats, despite losing) are saying that there was in fact no evidence of widespread election fraud. So ...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

Genuinely, are you just denying the fact that trump supporters everywhere stole and burned and forged shit tons of ballots?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you think there was "no widespread evidence" that's wilful ignorance. Have you just not heard a single thing republicans have been doing to steal the election? Do you live under a rock? Or do you just want trump to stay in office?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you think the Director of CISA -- who Biden appointed (and has done a great job) and Trump will almost certainly fire -- lives under a rock and wants Trump to take office? Because here's what she said:

https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think she's a coward who thinks she'll be spared if she starts kissing trump's ass now. Her statement has no bearing at all on the fact that shit tons of republican voters stuffed and stole and burned ballot boxes leading up to the election, or how they're continuing to intimidate other voters, or EVERYTHING IN GEORGIA, or the repeated threats from Trump, the GOP, and authors of Project 2025 towards anyone who would resist their revolution. The election was stolen, plain and simple, and acting like an enlightened centrist about it won't get you put in a camp any slower than people who know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Who the fuck would downvote this? There's shit tons of literal evidence that republicans cheated this election, are yall really just gonna put your fingers in your ears and ignore it?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

This is ludicrous. If someone is claiming their vote has not been received or counted I'm absolutely going to amplify them and make sure they're contacting the proper authorities.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, if it's somebody you know or trust who's saying this, then it's not disinformation; agreed about helping them contact election officials and/or other authorities, and if you think it's useful to amplify it, then I'm not trying to talk you out of it.

If it's not somebody you know or trust, then amplifying it is quite possibly helping out a disinformation campaign.

And in any case, amplifying individual claims is very different from the unsupported claims about "millions of missing votes", and that's what I am trying to talk people out of.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

So every single report of blue ballots being stolen and burned is just a lie then?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even if they turn out to be a Russian troll, just trying to sow discord among the American public?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Oh so when millions of accounts come out of nowhere to praise Orange Julius, call Kamala a genocider, and back Jill Stein those are real, but when someone with a credible web presence and years of posting history across various platforms claims their absentee ballot hasn't been received* they're a Russian troll? Get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Nah, I’m all for auditing the results, and ensuring no fuckery went down. But when I see a bunch of commenters come out of now where and say that their vote wasn’t yet counted, I get skeptical. Especially when that’s the exact thing the other side was saying 4 years ago.

Russias goal is to spark a civil war. They’ll come in and say whatever in favor of either side if they think it’ll increase the anger between them. Just be careful what you read.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

"Right-wing influencers are positioning this unfounded claiming as"evidence" of election fraud in 2020"

JFC... If they did that before why the hell wouldn't they just do it again? I guess even the Democrats that "stole the election last time" just like Trump now? Much logic.

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