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Liberalism vs. Leftism (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

See the problem with this stupid labeling is that everyone has a different definition so no one knows what the fuck anyone else is saying. Just knock it off with the labels, attribute the quality or idea you mean instead of a lazy fucking label...

You know how many conversations Ive been in where i was confused until i realized the word meant different things to us. Seriously the labeling in politics is getting out of control, everyone groups everything up into a category because it makes it easy to manipulate people against it, so noone knows what the word means anymore because everyone is defining it as something different every day.

Not using labels is double plus good...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The stupidity of American labels you mean, most of the rest of the work understands politics

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Around 15-20 years ago these idiots so easily manipulated with labels in the US were only on the fringe (or at a minimum, less obvious in their existence), now they're a political force. Do not sit there in smug self assurance that it definitely cant happen there, because that's how it begins...

Then again I dont think the first world countries have the world have been cutting education for decades now. And you also didnt have Regan and Citizens United.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You've just described the gender argument.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It fits alot of topics. People just stop learning by middle school and go through their lives ignorant to the world outside of their limited personal experience. It's not surprising that the world's population is so easily manipulated into being scared of everything...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In America.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If you think that this sort of thing is just in America I have a bridge to sell you....

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember the poem? 'First they came for the communists'. They never came for the liberals, they worked with them. There has always been a difference, and there will always be a difference.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

"Fun" fact about the quote (or poem) you refer to: It's by Martin Niemöller and meant in a self critical way. He was a conservative Christian and really couldn't bother about godless communists or Jews. Only when they came after him we woke up.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unconstrained campaign financing and lobbying will always dilute the power of democracy and liberalism, but liberalism is a good alternative to bloody revolutions or forced changes. Humanist philosophies prefer liberalism to some degree, but I could be wrong 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Interesting, is it not, that liberalism was the bloody revolution against tyranny until now it threatens to kill humanity itself and all reform must then be gradual.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not necessarily, democracy has often come about without blood shed. I am unconvinced the practical implementations of far left ideals are going to be devoid of human nature. Committees responsible for production vs CEO managing it does not still preclude greed or popularity contests. The in fighting in left leaning groups is a distraction. First tax the rich enough so that they cannot subvert democracy, everything is secondary

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