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"Translation: all the times Tesla has vowed that all of its vehicles would soon be capable of fully driving themselves may have been a convenient act of salesmanship that ultimately turned out not to be true."

Another way to say that, is Tesla scammed all of their customers, since you know, everyone saw this coming...

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

"Fuck that particular con, I have a president in my pocket now."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Wow, what a genius!

/s

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but think he's saying this now as an attempt to distract from the stories of "Musk has been talking to Putin since the spring when they were both faced with problems: Musk being forced to buy Xitter and Putin unable to steal Ukraine. Odd how Musk has been becoming more rabidly pro-Russian-interests, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I rather think he’s trying to tank the Tesla stock price lately. No idea why though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

He wants in on the new authoritarian regime. Slowing down or stopping electric cars is on their to do list.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Yup this is his copout so he doesn't have to produce an entry level vehicle all while cozying up to Trump so he doesn't have to compete with the rest of the world on EVs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yay for OpenPilot

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Anyone knowledgeable about city planning? Why did we never put some type of signal in our roads? (I don't know. Passive RFID every few feet?) It would only cost what, ten, twenty thousand on top of each million spent paving every mile?

Seems it would be better baseline navigation than self driving cars and occasionally map apps. The cars would still have to do obstacle avoidance, of course.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about self driving tech or city planning. But if interstates are replaced every 10 years, and highways every 20, and Musk first made these claims in 2013? Then we'd have the base tech for every auto manufacturer to do moderately reliable self driving on interstates and a lot of our highways already.

Or maybe that large view pathfinding is the relatively easy part? That's why I'm asking. I'm sure there's something more obvious from an informed viewpoint that I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I imagine power is the tricky part. Badge readers and the like that use RFID also use wireless electricity to "power" the card. The range of that is limited without massive coils. You may be able to harness power from heat in asphalt (from traffic or sunlight beating on it), but I'd think that'd also be very limiting.

Better would be low power RF beacons set up at every transformer or every N utility poles. Something like BLE, maybe a little bit beefier. Power is readily available. They don't require data. All they need to do is broadcast their exact location and time (which they can get from GPS receivers).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It is way more experience. Has to withstand great pressure and sheer forces. Updates as road changes. Heat of building asphalt and later of summer. Horrible road maintenance. And what does it provide exactly to a car that actually helps? How long until most roads are updated with it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Y'know GPS didn't even enter my mind. Hell, depending on GPS 3 accuracy (isn't it supposed to be in the centimeters?) my talk of signals is completely moot. That measured against a map of roads on a server somewhere would probably let you download an entire map of nodes toward your destination. Along the way the car just measures against its current location and does the math for obstacles. Great point. This is why I ponder shit out loud. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

He realizes this every couple of years and then he forgets again during the next shareholders meeting

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Took my first drive as a passenger in a FSD Tesla the other day. I was rapidly underwhelmed. I mean, yeah...it's pretty cool the car drives itself, to an extent. But even as a passenger I was struck by the number of times I would have taken the wheel and made the car do what it was supposed to. Hesitant pulling forward to turn, hesitant pulling out into traffic after a turn, wrong speed for the road, abrupt turns... Did it get us there? Sure. Did it do a good job? Mid at best. Probably better as an anti-fatigue measure on highway drives instead of taking you places in town. I would not pay for FSD were I to own a Tesla...at least it seems really inappropriate for the kind of driving I do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's funny because what you describe is way BETTER than I would have expected. LOL.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It's only killed a few people recently, so I assume it has to work pretty well at least 99% of the time. Though it's really funny watching tech bros talk about how great it is and then seeing it blow a stop sign.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The best use cases I can think of for full self-driving are the elderly, the visually impaired, the drunk, the disabled, and the easily distracted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Eh.. If full self driving got to where it needs to be then it would be safer for everyone if all vehicles were full self driving.

The safest driver is a predictable driver. When vehicles are subject to algorithms and are programmed to obey the laws of the road, and have open constant communication of their intentions with other vehicles, you can't get any more predictable than that.

I say this as someone who drives for a living, too. I don't think it's happening any time soon, but full autonomous would be way safer than people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

so like the autopilot in Elite Dangerous. will it get you there? sure. will it get you there fast? ...not exactly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Better than the autopilot in eve....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Will it get us there in one piece? Probably

Friendship drive charging

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I feel like this is a recurring theme for the silicon valley billionaires and we reached "Peak Bullshit" at NFTs and ever since then one thing after another has hit wall after wall

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

But Tesla will gladly keep charging a lot of money for FSD.

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