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What can you get to within a 15-minute walk of your house?

A recent YouGov survey asked Americans what they think they should be able to get to within a 15-minute walk of their house.

Of these choices, I can currently walk to all of them from my apartment, aside from a university (no biggie, I'm not currently studying, although there is a Tafe within walking distance), a hospital, and a sports arena.

How many can you get to with a 15 minute walk from your house?

#fuckcars #walkability #urbanism #UrbanPlanning @fuck_cars #walking

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have everything but pharmacy, post office, cinema, and university. The pharmacy is within a 15-minute bike or bus, though.

What I feel is lacking is a hardware store. I really wish I had even a small hardware store close by. There used to be one.

Also missing from the list, but I have: a bakery, a swimming pool, and a coffeeshop.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Seeing that those surveys exist does not really motivate me to ever visit the US besides the big cities. I literally have most of these in 15 to 30 minutes by foot or public transport. Wow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

This is such a city-centric question, that I doubt many rural folks bothered to answer it.

46 years ago, we moved from London, where these things were available, to a rural Vermont town where none of them are except an elementary school (well, I can step outside and be in the woods; better than a park).

It's beautiful, quiet, and cheaper than city life.

When we drive, we combine visits to many of these amenities in one trip.

We don't regret our decision a bit.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (8 children)

A gas station?! How often do you walk to a gas station?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Usually gas stations have a convenience store that is easier to get in and out of compared grocery store and sometimes have good food as well. especially in the Midwest gas stations have really good food and are the best fast food joints in town. Also buccees

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

My sister is fortunate enough to live close to a lot of this stuff.

And there are no sidewalks 😂

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I feel a bit lucky looking at this. I live in the middle of the US and I have the first 9 listed within a 15 min walking distance. I live in a rather large town though too and I'm smack in the middle of that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I live in a rural village and can get to 11 of those within a 3 minute walk.

I'm moving to a large town soon where it'll go up to the full list.

I can't imagine having to drive everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Living in a rural town, I just wish I had sidewalks. I could probably walk to a local hospital within 15 minutes. 30 minutes would get me a lot of stuff on that list but there are zero sidewalks for any of that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I live in Philadelphia, so all those are within a 15 minute walk from me except the university, mall, movie theater, and sports arena. But these are all accessible by transit, whether bus or subway.

On the short distance, the nearest bar to me is 40 ft (12m) away!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Yo, I moved to Philly from growing up in Houston and I have not used my car in two years. Being able to walk or take the SEPTA train to my choice of bar/pub completely changed my life.

I ain't ever gonna want to leave.

Go Birds.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

16% said "should not" to a grocery store? What?

I feel like there should be a separate question for the "I don't want anything near me" rural choice, since those might be making the rest of the responses misleading.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Some people might genuinely prefer a humongous superstore, and the parking lot culture that comes with it.

In the UK, you see tons of "corner shops", which are just overpriced grocery stores where the owner pretends to be serving the community, but is actually putting his daughter through private school.

In contrast, the Sainsbury's down the road hires actual suffering locals who you know from high school, the parking lot is full of teens blasting music and worried parents teaching their children how to drive -- i.e. there is an actual community happening there.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They are probably carbarians whose only conception of a grocery store is a supermarket surrounded by a moat of parking. I wouldn't want one of those next to me either

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I love how the majority think you should have to drive to a bar

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As someone who lives within 15 minutes ot a sports arena, i agree with not having one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I live within a 15 minute walk of a sports arena. It's not so bad, it's neat to see all the community fill up the streets on big game days. I walked to see the red hot chili peppers last year, that was pretty cool.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (14 children)

@ajsadauskas @urlyman @fuck_cars Why on earth would anyone answer ‘should not’ to a bus stop being within 15 mins? How are they thinking you get to the bus stop, by driving?!

Also, as a Dutchie, the amount of ‘should nots’ for a bar within 15 mins is killing me. I understand it, but it points to such a lack of imagination about what a city can look like. I have at least 20 bars within 15 mins walk of home and I’m not in the city centre 😄

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly 15 minutes is way too much for a bus stop. If it's more than 10 minutes walk away it might as well not exist, and the target should always be under 5 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@Zagorath @Brendanjones In the UK one of the magic numbers planners used for bus stops (or did a few years ago when I was in the loop) was 400m

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@Brendanjones @ajsadauskas @urlyman @fuck_cars Indeed. Bars should *only* be in a 15 minute walk. You should never need to drive to a bar!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

@Brendanjones @urlyman @fuck_cars You need to keep in mind we are talking about a country here where a not insignificant proportion of the population thinks walkable neighbourhoods are a deep state conspiracy...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Good read. ~~Bill Bryson is British though, so he grew up with a generation accustomed to not seeing public transport as a dirty word.~~~ Edit: Nope, he just has a good british accent. nvm,

When I visited LA, I was amazed at how good the public transit system there is. A bus driver would literally wave people through if they didn't have the right fare, and would literally wrangle wheelchair users into their seat at the cost of their own backs. Yet, there was always this feeling that the people who used the bus were less than scum....

... no other country has this stigma when it comes to using public services.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars 15 minute walk: Park, elementary school, bus stop, restaurant, gas station.

15-30 minutes: (I do walk sometime but usually bike): Grocery store, pharmacy, bank, barber.

I can easily bike, though not walk, to all of the rest except a university (which seems an absurd ask for a 15-minute neighborhood).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I wonder why they included gas stations unless it's for their use as convenience store. Buying gas as a pedestrian is a very marginal use case...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Other than the primary school (~20 minutes) and the physical bank, which we barely have any left off in Norway, they're all within 15 minutes.

- Trondheim

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haha yeah i noticed that about the bank as well, i haven't been to a physical bank in... 6 years?

Having one nearby wouldn't be very high up on my wishlist

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