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The atmosphere is so heated, and the statements are getting more and more extreme. Let's just assume Harris wins the election. After a campaign like this, how could you ever have a normal relationship with your pro-Trump neighbor/father-in-law/Uncle/Barber or what ever again?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes, things tend to calm down. If you read history books about US history, there were times in the 1800s where brothers were killing each other over slavery and where people were killing themselves in the 1950s over their children's sexuality. Time heals wounds, and people tend to swing in a pendulum from progressive to conservative and back again (the 50s, the 90s, the 10s).

I recommend The Lavender Scare by David K. Johnson. It's a fascinating book back when the US government shared a frightening similarity to the CCP. It shows how a community develops in the postwar period, how a moral panic gets set off, how people are affected, and how a social movement starts and heals the country over time. It is almost a word for word copy of what is happening in the US right now, and how people in the past defused a situation that was even more loaded in some ways than today's world. If you are looking for reassurance, it's a great read. Many of the landmarks in the book are still standing, by the way :)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

there is only forward. no reverse.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

You don't. Most of us have already either fully cut-off contact with Trump supporting family members or limit our interaction with them heavily. Our country is rotted to the core, and this election won't be the end of it. Even if Harris wins, there will be contestion of the results. There may even be a successful coup by the Republican party. A civil war is not out of the question.

There is no normal. There won't be ever again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

In previous elections, I'd have been able to give you an answer.

For this election, the crazy will absolutely not be over once all votes are counted. This is a pivotal moment in American History and either result will cause a lot of distress for our collective psyche.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

how could you ever have a normal relationship with your pro-Trump neighbor/father-in-law/Uncle/Barber or what ever again?

...Why would I want to? Seriously, why would I want to have a relationship with people that have shown me that the things they value are antithetical to the things I value? I don't give a fuck if people are nice to me; I want people to be kind across the board.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It won't be over when it's over. If Trump loses we'll never hear the end of how he was cheated and maga people will get extra weird, maybe violent.

If Trump wins, we'll have trump for president, which from experience is also not normal.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This has been the norm since 2016. Until the GOP unilaterally rejects Trumpism, this will be how it is every four years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You sure there is a 'every four years' then?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You're right, the other side of the coin that I forgot to mention is, "Trumpism wins and turns America into a fascist dictatorship".

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this is normal. half the country is composed of backward degenerates.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

24% is backwards degenerates. That's the percentage of the population that voted for trump in 2020. No where near half, no matter how much they may claim to represent half.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah. I was sloppy in my choice of words.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You don't. You accept the fact things are progressively getting worse and move on

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You live through enough of these "Most Pivotal Elections" and the effect is muted.

I remember Bush winning in 2004 vividly, the soul-crushing realization that Americans were ready to continue the relentless slaughter of Arabs for another four years with a fuck-you kicker to anyone LGBT looking to come out of the shadows and get married. (Nevermind the shady vote counting in Ohio).

That was after the 2000 election was stolen in full view of the public by a nakedly corrupt court.

"How could so many people be so blaise about this shameless disregard for democracy, civil rights, and rule of law?"

But then 2008 rolls along and suddenly I'm surrounded by conservative revanchists who want to talk about secession, because a black guy just won the presidency. And it begins to occur to me... "Oh, I'm just living in a fascist country".

Now, having familiarized myself with US history a bit more, another fascist winning in one more corrupted and propaganda soaked election cycle makes perfect sense.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I wish you were wrong, but I know you're not.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't worry, there's the insurrection and riots next.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depends on who wins. They're only insurrections and riots when brown people and leftists do them.

The next J6/Charleston will be covered more favorably than the '64 March on Washington was, now that Bezos et al have shown their colors.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My wife is predicting a civil war. I can't help but wonder what our role will be in it.

Any countries who are not sliding into fascism that would be interested in hiring two well-educated adults? I really love Germany, and despite some German heritage, it's too far removed to be of value in gaining citizenship or a passport. We visited Germany in the spring of 2016 (and heard, several times, "WHAT is going on in your country?") and she loved it, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How far away are they really? German rules about that are fairly lenient and courts have expanded them a bit recently.

Maybe any other EU country you could qualify for? Ireland is often a route some US citizens take - once you have their passport you are free to move wherever you want.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My wife is predicting a civil war.

I don't think the police or the military are particularly divided on who to support. A coup maybe.

But liberals won't be putting up a fight once the media starts labeling them Hamas/Hezbollah and you can't post your pink pussy hat on Instagram without getting put on a list.

Any countries who are not sliding into fascism that would be interested in hiring two well-educated adults?

There's always Ireland. Mexico is looking pretty good right now, given the flood of cheap imports and the resurgent manufacturing sector.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Here in germany we're sliding into facism as well, again x.x

Our second most voted party here is super disgustingly far-right and gets more and more votes each election - even tho multiple states declared them unconstitutional and there are talks to ban the whole party because it's a danger to democracy and our constitution.

The most voted party is conservative-right and at least by name based in Christianity. They see themselves more in the center, but tend to be a bit to the right from it, at least in my opinion. And some of the top politicians there are saying some really disgusting right shit as well. The party isn't really fascist, but populistic and a bit right-leaning, known for corruption, power-hungry)

Therefore I think germany might not be the best choice if you want to flee facism

(Disclaimer: Constitution = Grundgesetz. Please don't nitpick that our constitution is technically not a constitution. Thanks)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I saw that about Germany. Unfortunately, if even Germany is sliding that way, it's hard to imagine anywhere else not doing the same...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What you see in the news and on social media doesn't paint a true picture of what daily life is like here for people. Most of Trump's supporters aren't the hateful bigots that the Internet makes them out to be, they're just convinced that he's the lesser of the 2 evils. This is why you see that his rallies are empty and he's still polling at ~47%.

Most of the deepest Trump cult fanatics live in communities where that is more prevalent, like rural Alabama, so if you don't live where they live, you just don't really encounter them. And if you do live in those areas, you're already used to the rampant racism because it's always been there.

So me and my immigrant wife will still go visit my pro-trump uncle for his annual pig roast, because he's not a bad person, he's just a moron. I'll still call my conservative mother every week because she's not threatening to kill me for voting blue, she's just consumed too much anti-Kamala propaganda. My religious sister is still welcome to visit because even though she's an idiot, my nieces are freakin adorable and I love them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I assume you're not in the crosshair of Trump policy once he gets elected? Because for some people threats to their life and voting Trump are about the same thing.

You continue to tolerate your family tolerating and even choosing hate and bigotry, even if they themselves don't exhibit them to your face. Your uncle IS a bad person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So say they cut their family off and now have no support network. Now what?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

You continue living without having to entertain hateful bigots? It's worked out pretty great for me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a middle ground. Not talking won't convince anyone, either.

But realizing that certain people are bad people because they express their values through certain votes is important.

E. g. you can not attend the roast and cite their political views as the reason, especially with the recent (and constant) hate on immigrants. That doesn't mean they're cut off.

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