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One would think stealing and potentially selling sensible documents or a failed coup or the countless sexual allegations are political suicides. But now a racist clown will get him?
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Let me ask you: When have you watched a political speech, and not just sound bytes? For most people, left or right, the answer is never. A ton of Republicans have never seen a single thing Trump has said or done, outside of what they see on the news. The same goes for Harris. We are a politically disengaged people.
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On Sunday at MSG, Donald Trump engineered what will be seen by political analysts and later by historians as the coup de grâce that killed forever his prospects of being president and may well have set him on a post-election course on which he finally may be held accountable for his actions.
That is wishful thinking.
Yeah, I want this to be the end of Trump and his cult. But I don't think that it will be.
Like Emperor Palpatine, I don't think he'll actually die or stay dead..
I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they'd still give their lives to vote for him
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This opinion piece was an operatic exercise in wishful thinking. Even as it admits that at least 47% of the population loves everything spewed in that rally, it still called it political suicide.
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He is losing NY anyways.
The rally wasn't for NY.
He's losing Colorado too. These rallies aren't for the locals, it's red meat for the base in the media clip era.
The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.
Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn't know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?
8 years later, still riding that click-generating wave of “can you believe how racist this guy is?!”
Yeah, the "political suicide" bit is immediately questionable. The fact that this race is even close has destroyed any remaining shreds of faith in my fellow Americans.
Trump could go up in stage and rant about black people, using the hard-R; he could repeat the sexist comments he's already famous for; he could probably even criticize Christians - none of it would move the needle. People voting for him aren't doing so because they think he's a great person; they're doing it because they hate liberals.
I think it would actually get him more votes.
I think they are voting for him because of the things they believe he is or stands for. Let's assume some people cherish kindness, then these people believe he is kind even if he's obviously not. They want to believe.
They are analogously not voting for Harris out of what they believe she stands for: destroying their values, installing communism, surrendering to the Soviet Union, all on day one. Because they want to believe.
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Making people aware might give more of a push to people who otherwise wouldn't vote. It isn't about changing the minds of maga shits.
You know what's crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.
I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks
It's always so interesting (or heartbreakingly depressing) for me to hear this. I have seen that to some extent where I live, although very tepidly. However, when I go visit friends and family in much more red areas I feel like I'm going into bizarro world. People are doubling and tripling down. It's like a weird arms race or something between trump and his sycophants as they desperately try to keep up with each other in terms of bigotry and just overall insanity and/or stupidity. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, in those areas, they ate this stuff up and asked for seconds.
It would make me incredibly happy if this was some sort of breaking point and it actually did open some eyes but having been there and seen the countless gigantic trump/Vance flags hanging from the bed of outrageously lifted pickups, I just don't see it.
Harris HQ did a lot of things right and Trump HQ got locked in either doubling down and becoming more pronounced fascist (like here) therefore risking moderate republican votes or becoming too boring and letting people see through their incompetence and Trump's senility when they aren't caught up blind from constant MAGAtation.
In my neighborhood, I've seen some houses take down their Trump signs. Dunno if it means anything, but I don't think I had ever seen that before.
Ohhh don't you go giving me hope like that...
As great as that is to hear, I have to wonder under what rock those people have been living up to now.
Honestly, I kind of get it.
I'm very attuned to keeping up with what is happening in the world, at least at a base level. The number of people I've met who just dont do that is staggering. The other day I ran into someone who didn't know what happened on J6. Maybe they were playing dumb, but I didn't think so.
The reason i kinda get it is because this shit is depressing. I would love to be able to just tune out everything political related and only see feeds relating to my hobbies and just be totally ignorant of how fucked everything is. I guess some people saw that opportunity and took it.
It's fatigue. If there were a turd-based fireworks show outside your house every night, eventually you just have to ignore it.
At first, exploding turds, I kinda want to see that. Eventually everything is covered in shit. That's sort of a problem. A few folks try to clean it up, but it's A LOT of shit. Your house is covered in shit. Your car is covered in shit. You go to the car wash and things improve... But your car is covered in shit again pretty quickly, so that felt like a waste.
Then someone asks you about that one time when a bunch of people broke into a building and let off shit fireworks everywhere. Sure that was new, but the nightly turd extravaganza still went off just the same. Plus the turd fireworks are always being set off in new and unusual places. I can't be expected to remember them all.
Were they 5 years old or recently immigrated or something? Maybe it's because of proximity but I'm pretty sure even in Canada everyone has heard about it!
Some people just refuse to pay attention to politics.
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Exactly my reaction.
Unless people go out an vote, it won't be suicide. They're just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.
he's not planning to "win" by votes...
Yeah, but he's not in power unlike 2016. Yes, we should watch for and be ready to react within the law to fake elector schemes, collaborating with hostile foreign interests, inciting coups and violence, etc but if we do, there's fuck-all he can do about it. Trumpism dies with his political career. In the final stretch, let's reject him with so many votes they can't possibly claim another "stolen" election!
6 senators and 121 representatives (all Republican) objected to certifying Arizona's results in the hours after the insurrection at the capitol on Jan 6th. He also has 6 justices on the Supreme Court who have already ruled that he's above the law. Unfortunately he doesn't need to be in power if he's being propped up by those who do.
My concern is that Trump is defeated in the election, declared is stolen, and we do react within the law to fight it, but Trump is declared President by the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court anyway. Once Project 2025 starts rolling out as policy, how many of us are then willing to start reacting outside of the new law? Most Germans were not fervent supporters of the Nazi party. They just didn't want to get in trouble with the ruling government. Are you willing to risk your life to fight the fascists? Are you willing to risk the lives of your family? Or do you learn to survive with your head down and not make waves...
Not calling anyone out for anything, but I often have to wonder about how I would react now that it keeps getting closer to reality.
Yeah man that's probably what's going to happen. It Worked for Bush against Gore when margins were close, and the supreme Court is even more stacked in their favor now. This is looking to be a similarly close race. My only question is will libs throw their hands up in defeat and let their last facade of democracy die or fight back in some way.
It was intentional. They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake and distract voters from Trump being too frail to campaign. Trump voters are already racist shitbags. The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.
They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake
super walz to the rescue. seems like he has played the VP attack dog role pretty smartly. loud enough to make headlines with reasonably pointed attacks, while being "clean" enough to deflect incoming.
The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.
The idea that calling out bigotry as unacceptable can be 'shrill and unreasonable' is so ridiculous that I want to disbelieve you, except that I know enough about the world to know that it happens.
You can post online that you're upset that Israel is killing innocent people, and be told that saying that is 'Russian propaganda' etc. Anything can be spun as unacceptable, I guess.
Also, all attention is good attention. That has been the rule of the Trump campaign since day one.
I have seen so many articles about Donald Trump in the last week, and I'm not sure I have even seen one about Kamala Harris. Unfortunately, the media and the online public are both very easy to bait into giving Trump free publicity.
This is exactly it - I'm on Lemmy, a place that's probably 35 percentage points more left than the average US space, and the entire feed is similar stories about this rally. The media has learned nothing and in 3 years American journalism may be dead - regulated into state-approved propaganda like in Russia - because of it.
The media is a business, and clicks are currency. Trump is good for business. It's that simple.
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