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[–] [email protected] 136 points 7 months ago (8 children)

iOS is literally designed for toddlers to be able to use it. "iPad kids" aren't especially gifted, "iPad adults" are especially stupid.

But on the bright side, those same groups think they "know computers" because they can press large, brightly colored buttons - so they walk around with unearned confidence in their abilities and impatience/lack of appreciation for the people that actually have to fix things.

It's also why a large swatch of these same fucking idiot, drains on humanity loudly challenge the validity of voting tech infrastructure without any factual basis to their argument - they just "feel" like they get it.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 7 months ago (20 children)

My boss very confidently proclaimed that all serious IT professionals use a Mac. Said Linux "is for programmers and nerds"

[–] [email protected] 56 points 7 months ago (4 children)

So, programmers != IT professionals, huh...

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I'm in IT, from my experience, most people who use Macs either use it for media, because it is easy to use for the common man, or it is the most expensive option.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

gen z here, can confirm. most of my peers just do not care about learning how things actually work

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It seems that those aged roughly between 30 - 50 hit the sweet spot when it comes to computer literacy.

There is an interesting text about it, albeit it is 11 years old already: Kids can't use computers... and this is why it should worry you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Im suspect about 50. Im just a bit older and it was thing for nerds back then.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

TL;DR? Why not just go watch another five second video of a kitten with its head in a toilet roll, or a 140 character description of a meal your friend just stuffed in their mouth. "nom nom". This blog post is not for you.

wow, this some next level obnoxious boomer shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 72 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I fix my parents’ computers. I fix the computers of the super old people in the neighborhood. I fix my kid’s computer. I fix my friends’ computers.

I don’t think it’s generational.

When your car breaks down, do you fix it? At what point do you take it to a mechanic?

At what point do you call an electrician or plumber? Who biopsies their own cysts?

It’s all the same shit. We live in a society of specialists because there’s simply too much potential knowledge for everyone to be able to do everything.

And if we start arguing about what things people “ought to be able to do themselves”, we turn into a bunch of old farts lamenting about the good old days.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

This actually what drives me nuts about the US. Its like everyone is expected to be a doctor, a lawyer, an investor, a mechanic, an electrician, plumber, IT, and just everything. I look at the old black and white shows where the tv repair man is called and im like. wtf happened to this country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

100% agree.

I'm 50 years old and I am the IT guy for people of all ages. Not because I am part of some gifted generation that understands computers, but because I have a genuine interest and took the time to learn these things.

My 16yo son also has a keen interest in computers and I am passing on my knowledge where I can.

I somewhat feel that attributing computer knowledge to a generational thing in some way diminishes the effort and time it took to get the knowledge and experience that I do have.

You don't have to have hung around with Henry Ford to be a car guy, or Nikola Tesla to be an electrician.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"DIY" is a thing because many strive to understand enough of multiple relevant basic disciplines needed as an adult to be able to cover the first 15% or so of common jobs before they see their limitations and call the specialists.

I believe the expressed frustration here is around the fact that acquiring that first 15% type skill is no longer seen as a responsibility/point of pride for folks to gain as they grow.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's like we just happened to grow up at the right time where everyone was raised to be a mechanic, and we wonder why our kids don't fix their own cars.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Kind of. Those who were the first needed to know how computers did what they did... Because so often they didn't ...

Now your computers work without you needing to know how they do it Most are happy it simply works

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not only that, but co-workers from my own generation also don’t know how to fix their own computers, so I’m just surrounded by people that have no idea how any of it works.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think that's the real crux of it. Most people don't know. There may have been a bump in literacy, but most people don't know, don't care, and don't need to. If we had better education, this kind of thing could be a core class. I had computer classes, but they mainly focused on typing and specific programs. Basically nothing about components, the command prompt, programming, different OS, etc. Granted this was many years ago, but I live in Florida. So, it's probably worse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Counterpoint, most of the stuff I learned in my highschool A+ class (aimed at teaching you enough to pass a certification test that proves you can repair computers) was outdated already that year, and it's like 95% outdated now. Typing and business productivity app skills are still directly valuable for most modern people.

Most valuable skills are things like learning how to learn, critical thinking, judgement, understanding the value of time, humility, etc. I'll say that the A+ course was much better than most classes at growing those skills for me, but I could say the same thing about the construction course I took. American school system, at least when I was in it, is totally happy to output kids that only know math, science, english, and arts. It's hard to teach those life skills, harder to test for them, do we just don't.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

in my experience, younger kids either don't know anything about computers or are obsessed with them. I don't see a lot of the middle

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"Try teaching an impatient person, who undervalues the subject matter, already missed several opportunities to learn about it in formal education settings and who you lack a teacher-student dynamic with..."

Or, in a way...

"It's one banana, Michael - what could it cost, $10?"

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I refuse to fix anything for my inlaws without them watching me. I make them watch me Google the solutions and follow the instructions. It helps reinforce the "it's not magic and I'm not a wizard" reality I want to instill in everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

The weird bit is that our parent's generation is also the one that build the damn things in the first place!

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