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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (19 children)

That makes an assumption that all or a big majority third party voters would prefer Harris over Trump.

Just for clarifying the logic here.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Me looking at the current state of our democracy and political system. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Electing a felon certainly can't make it worse. It is not like he is fantasizing about deploying the national guard against his own citizens.... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/17/donald-trump-enemy-within-quote/75714201007/

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

North America’s electoral systems are so broken. It’s painful to see so much negativity, frustration, and fear directed at third parties in general. If that same energy was directed towards building a ranked choice voting system with proportional representation, like single transferable voting (STV), the duopolies would crumble and we could all actually vote for whoever we want without having to worry we might end up with the worst candidate winning.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's great. I Agree.

We got four more years to do that, if Trump doesn't win.

We've had tons of time to change voting systems.

All the third parties couldve banded together to get it done. Ya know. With all their existing seats of power in federal, state, and local government.

Oh wait.

Hint. Hint.

A third party would be worthless if it won federal office right now. It would be roadblocked every step of the way.

I agree that our voting system needs an overhaul. But don't try to do it by electing a third party president. It'll never work, and if it did, they would be falling flat on their face for four more years and paint a terrible picture for the future of all third parties.

A protest vote means absolutely nothing, except that it helps the least-aligned primary party power. You are bolstering your opponent to do so. Literally cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It doesn’t need to start with the federal level. There’s a growing amount of states that have already adopted some form of ranked choice voting and some of those have also adopted a proportional variant. Progress is being made in some places at lower levels, but it’s slow. Other states have banned it unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Picture a situation where various political parties vie to unseat the Republicans. With more representative electoral systems, voters could select their preferred candidates, while still counting their vote against the Republican party even if their choice doesn’t win, all without the spoiler effect. Since voting methods are set at the state level, we don’t need to wait for federal reforms; some states have already enacted electoral changes. For instance, Alaska recently chose a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin due to Ranked Choice voting.

Who would oppose having multiple opportunities to diminish Republican power? The Democratic Party would. In blue states, they could replace First Past The Post voting with a system that eliminates the spoiler effect. Yet, year after year, election after election, Democrats remain inactive on passing state level electoral reform in the states they control.

Republicans are moving to protect FPTP voting in red states. Why do the democrats want to use the voting system republicans prefer?

Its not that democrats dont know about the flaws in the voting system either. Just mention voting for a third party to any Democrat, and they’ll readily acknowledge the weaknesses of the voting system. Comments about the Green Party here will further illustrate their understanding of this issue.

If democrats understanding the problem, yet refuse to fix it, can only mean one thing. The Democrats prefer the country balancing over a fire pit of fascism rather than truly competing for our votes. They would rather this country be lost to authoritarianism then to play on a even playing field.

Party over country at all costs.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'll never forget what third party voting gets us; additional fucking choices beyond the dominant two-party system, encouraging broader participation. When a Republican or Democrat candidate loses any race, it's common to see them use third party candidates as a scapegoat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Ahh the illusion of choice. You vote third party and get another Trump presidency, but hey at least you got your morals, eh?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Except it doesn’t. Not in presidentials anyway.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Do you vote separately for your president in the US?

In Germany we vote for Parliament, whoever receives a majority of votes then gets the governmental mandate and their candidate becomes chancellor. Many people thought there never would be any other chancellor than from either the "social" democrats (SPD) or "christian" conservatives (CDU/CSU, also just called "Union"), until 2021 when the Green Party got so good in surveys we suddenly had three official candidates.

I do know about the "electorial college" nonsense, just asking what exactly the votes are aimed to be for, government or specifically the president.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Primary Election, 1st Vote: One vote per voter to decide who represents the political party for the presidential election. Presidential Election, 2nd Vote: One vote per voter to decide who becomes the US President. The Electoral College and the stupid point system allows the minority vote to win. Yes, there are more names on the ballot for local government positions too. Technically, one could mix their votes with Democrat, Republican and other party candidates on the ballot.

I prefer the German voting system because it is based on the majority vote. FYI, I am allowed to vote in both Germany and USA.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In the United States we vote for people not party. Every ballot is different depending on the year and where you live.

This November I will vote for

  • President/VP
  • 1 of 2 US Senate seats (the other will be voted on in 2 years)
  • My US House Representative
  • My State House Representative
  • A county board seat
  • A city commissioner
  • Retention of certain judges
  • A school board seat
  • A board member for our water district

If I choose to do so I could vote for multiple political parties across the ballot. Which is great because I might agree with my local green party of local issues but still want to vote for Democrats nationally.

I would really like to see us remove the electoral college, implement RCV or STAR. And move towards more of a proportional representation system.

Edit: Also worth mentioning that how elections are run also depends on where you live. States actually control how their citizens elect a President, I believe 2 are using RCV this year. Some states also allow local communities to choose how they elect local officials.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Hey, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

  • a terrible gambler
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If this were true then American politics really are terrible. Minority should hold seats. America needs to revisit representation.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s actually not entirely true, it only counts stein as the only 3rd party (the libertarian candidate in PA got 3x as many votes as her, I’d bet those 3rd party votes wouldn’t have gone to Clinton) AND doesn’t report factual numbers.

It’s just not true.

That said unfortunately voting for a 3rd party candidate is largely useless in the USA and the forces trying to get their opponents voters to vote 3rd party are probably more overwhelming then the forces actually compelling folks to vote 3rd party.

FPTP needs to die in the USA.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Every one so excited to back the lesser of two evils and wondering why things are the way they are

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