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greetings americans, it an honest question.
Outside of america i constantly see, especially recently as your elections are coming up that..well, it looks like a clownshow?

Your recent two contenders where a hugely dept orange clown who can barely keep a coherent thought advertising a product in the whitehows, who had to have his name constantly mention when being talked to or he will be disinterested.
The other one was a senile old fossil who couldnt even say a single sentence without his dementia kicking in.

Now you have trump again as a runner up and he seems so openly incompetently corrupt its almost funny, than we have the senile man who (to my extremely limited knowledge) got replaced by this kamala woman because he was too old, said woman seems to be at least present in mind and appears to see trump as what he really is, a manchild (the famous clip of her basically laguhing at him)

Like, are outside views are just so vehemently skewed by news, people and the like? Or am i just grossly misinformed?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No, we’re seeing the same thing on the inside too. The fact that Trump actually has another chance in hell, or that he likely would’ve beat Biden, is a sign of how far gone this country already is. Do people not remember the absolute shitshow that was Trump’s 1st term?

Weekly, sometimes daily, WTF moments where I was just wondering where any of the adults were. Constant, blatant corruption and incompetence on full display. And we had to hear everything he fucking said over and over because everybody had to repeat the same news over and over again.

It’s been relatively good during Biden’s tenure, I would hear/read about him about as much as a normal president. Like, the president is the president, but I don’t want to hear everything going on with the president unless it’s important. So for us to go from that absolute shit show to relative peace (as peaceful as all this can be considered), I don’t understand how anybody would want to go back.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If Trump wins, all these idiots that voted for him because "thuh conomee was better" are going to act all shocked when he actually does all the really insane stuff he's promising to do and tried to do in his first term but the handful of rational Republicans around him stopped him from doing.

I saw interviews with voters recently that basically showed people don't believe he'll do all the crazy stuff he's promising, that it's just a negotiation tactic or to "keep the base onboard" or to "generate attention."

When things really go to shit, I guarantee the people that voted for him will take no responsibility for it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (12 children)

is this kamala also at least half as decent as she appears?

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago

Grossly misinformed. The clown show is what they want you to see. Behind the scenes it's no longer a show, the clowns are real, the frogs are gay, immigrants eating dogs, and I have concepts of a plan.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The education system in the US is screwed beyond oblivion, that's why this is happening.

And it's not just the US. I live in the Balkans and things are... well, very bad to be honest. We have the lowest average IQ in Europe.

The problem is, stupid people benefit both sides, left and right. They're easy to control, as voters. No one wants voters which can think critically.

Democracy is flawed IMO. There is no fixing this. People do rule, but at what cost. There are alternatives, but, let's face it, none of that will be implemented, at least not in our lifetimes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No. You seem to have the jist of it. Clownshow election, manchild orange oompa loompa, dementia riddled president, new woman who's condescending of bullshit.

Congrats. You're now qualified to write for SNL until November 5th. Don't worry, no pressure. They have 1-2 good sketches per week, and a ton of crap sketches.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, genuinely

This is a clown country

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

It didn't used to be like that... but you had some horrible decisions made (or not paid attention to is more like it) over the years and this is the result.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

orange clown who can barely keep a coherent thought

Just assume the possibility that this is partly a show, in order to make people underestimate him. His way of talking in fuzzy, noncommittal half sentences is a method to distribute only suggestions instead of clear statements.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Just assume the possibility that this is partly a show, in order to make people underestimate him

This is a man that ran a casino into the ground. A man who has 6 bankruptcies and 34 felonies under his extensive belt.

He might just be that dumb.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

how do you run a casino into the ground
its a flipping casino

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes, it's a clown show and half the country would rather throw away the whole US than vote for a woman. Please send help, fascists don't give up power easily.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Please send help, fascists don't give up power easily.

Actually, most countries that could actually help are hoping to see you burn... because they're your biggest contenders in world domination.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I think the woman part is fine-ish; they don't wanna vote for a democrat. In fact they'd probably vote for a trans woman if she had an R next to her name.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Biden isn't quite as bad as the soundbites make him seem, but he is slowing down (physically and mentally) in his old age and was just generally an extremely uninspiring candidate. Trump, if anything is worse than you portray. He's way more senile than Biden, in addition to the blatant corruption, rulebreaking, childishness, and being horrifically and openly racist and sexist. He has literally quoted Hitler! No decent and reasonable person who is paying the slightest attention to what he says and does would think he is remotely qualified for any position of authority. The fact that he is polling roughly evenly with an extremely qualified and intelligent person like Kamala Harris is indeed an absolute clownshow.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 5 days ago (3 children)

it is as batshit as it appears.

But for us at least, it is quite sinister as well, since Trump it quite literally attempting to instill himself as a dictator to avoid prison, and this is being facilitated by white nationalists, religious zealots, tech billionaires, and an easily decieved under-educated populace that are acting against their own interests.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Stop making me sad with facts and the truth!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry, he's just foolin'! Everything is great!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What I find hilarious about that scene is, the writters wanted to give her a drug problem. With actual hard drugs. Which for her acting would have made sense if she had been crashing off the drugs.

Then the network said it wasn't ok with that. So the writting stayed the same, the scene stayed the same, except kt was caffene she was crashing from. Which, given the over the top acting, makes no sense.

So now she just comes off as insane.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

that actually sounds quite a lot worse

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

It's rather distressing, to put it mildly.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 days ago (10 children)

this election is definitely moving "fund public schools" up on my priority list of things I care about. It's now barely second to Climate Change quite possibly the top thing, because these idiots vote and we need the votes to deal with climate change.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

20+ years ago, George Carlin discussed public education.

"Just think of the average american voter. These are some dumb motherfuckers right here. Some dumb motherfuckers. And as dumb as the average one is....HALF OF THEM ARE EVEN DUMBER THAN THAT!!! Some dumb mother fuckers in this country. Some dumb mother fuckers...."

And in case you were hoping he had a positive ending to that set, he didn't. His overall point was that our government is not being held back by the voters. There is no secret set of competent politicians who could just fix things if they got voted in. This is what we voted in, because this was whats available. Don't look for it to get better. This is what our election system produces from the pool of candidates it has available.

Garbage in, garbage out. It's just that simple.

So, while I DO agree that a HARD focus needs to be placed on education, it's not going to help the voting process. It's not a issue of dumb voters voting for dumb people. It's an issue of trash candidates being our only options.....and at this point, it's getting to a point of intentional facism.

Like I said. Trash in, trash out.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I love Carlin, but he was an awful defeatest, any sliver of hope beaten right out of him, which he admits himself.

Education is, genuinely, the prime issue. Where I agree with Carlin is that better education can't fix our system, because the system itself is fundamentally broken. It'd be better with smarter people, but ultimately would still be corporate captured and self-serving.

What a highly educated populace could mean is a rejection of the current system entirely, in favor of building a new one in its shell cooperatively, with horizontal, decentralized power and the wholesale rejection of profit-motive being the prime focus.

I suspect Carlin would assume humanity is incapable of that, but then again he probably wasn't super familiar with how that actually happened in the Spanish Civil War.

If we manage to pull it off, Carlin would've been happy for once, begrudgingly :p

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

A better education will, at least partially, solve the problem... in the long run, of course... but the long run is like 20, 30 years from now. Things might get a lot worse by then and beyond fixing.

Things perpetuate and there is no fixing this. The real issue is capitalism and money. You can't have an incentive to care about the people and how they are raised and educated if the only true incentive in this system is money. There is money in education, of course, but there is so much more from taking advantage of stupid people, regardless who does it (big tech, politicians, fast food chains...).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

You should put mental healthcare right up there too. The sheer craziness of it all is only possible because the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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