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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 minutes ago

Just execute the homeless, grind them into feed for the poor and the problem solves itself.

Holy shit, it's not that hard.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen nothing more demonic than prosperity gospel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago

Would be funny if it wasn't so sad and aggravating.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

As a conservative I support this idea, because it has no means testing.

Means testing is fucked up in two ways:

  • It makes government larger and gets the government asking questions, poking its nose into everything
  • It creates a perverse incentive structure, one which doesn’t match nature and hence doesn’t match the way our brains evolved to respond to challenge.

The perverse incentive structure is the worse of the two, in my opinion. Just like crack cocaine hacks the brain, presents something the brain can’t handle because it didn’t evolve for, rewarding a person with resources only when they don’t succeed basically programs a person to fail.

I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people, and letting the people decide when to start receiving benefits and when to stop. People are either worth it or they aren’t, and a person doesn’t stop being worth it just because they got their shit together, or start being worth it just because they failed.

Government should treat everyone the same. If a government wants to present a service like “free housing if you want it”, I’m totally fine with that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

As a conservative

I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people

"Conservative" is not exactly a rigidly-defined term, but here in the US these two lines I quoted from your comment are absolutely polar opposites.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

You shouldn't have to work for a roof over your head and mental health support.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago

A conservative with compassion and sense is always a welcome sight. This is a pretty obvious solution imo, but the powers that be seem to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

I'm for restricting human behavior as little as possible while still allowing anyone to escape any bad situation they don't want to be apart of.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

Nooooo that money is supposed to go to hard working shareholders like nature intended!!

/s

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, but how can Finland afford the nesting-doll yachts if they are giving out money that should have gone into billionaires' hoards?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 56 minutes ago

I can imagine nothing more miserable than having a day out on a massive expensive yacht... on the Baltic Sea.

(Regular rich people might have some fun on the ferries, but billionaires probably don't, because this involves buying a ticket and sharing the ship with the rabble.)

One day, I wish I had a shitty old fishing boat and go slowly puttering through the rain and gloom. Living the real life.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago

Why does it even need to be a transaction? We help each other because it's the right thing to do. It doesn't need to result in anything other than gratitude and happiness.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Who knew getting them healthy and back in the workforce paying taxes could pay off?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

This here exactly should be the goal of all those "fiscally responsible" Republicans: homeless sick dude is healed and housed and counseled until he's back paying his damned taxes and a productive member of society again.

People who can't cope will need a different programme, but still a live-in deal with counseling and a focus on the fundamental needs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

"Party of fiscal responsibility" is projection, just like everything else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

It just depends on whose finances they feel responsible for. If it's wealthy people then yes they are fiscally responsible to make sure they get more tax breaks.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Homeless people cost more money than these programs do, even if you don't take into account the amount of taxes being paid back.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

So do prisons. It's all performative nonsense from a financial perspective.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 hours ago

The "4 out of 5" figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.

Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren't cheap.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.

"They don't do anything in return?" "They don't get worse!" "But who compensates the people who help them?" "We do." "But then who compensates us?"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

I view it as a form of capitalism indoctrination. If there's no material compensation it's a bad idea, which is the capitalist idea of "if I don't make a profit I won't do it". I've seen people argue free energy is bad because the excess energy cannot be monetized, which is something you say only if you want to profit from energy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Like do these people realize that if we give people the means to not just survive, but thrive, in our society which rapidly approaches post-scarcity (I'd argue we'd basically be there if we had better distribution of wealth) then they would have no reason to steal or kill? I mean except for the worst cases, but ya know.. if everyone except for the truly evil has no reason or desire to do crime then....

Just saying imagine a world where police actually fought bad guys and just let social workers handled the wayward sheep, the downtrodden, and the desperate?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Twitter is bad.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd like to point out that "mental health counseling without any preconditions" is definitely bullshit. For free? Sure. Without preconditions? Nah.

Housing though? Available for everyone, sure, and compared to most other countries, the system is good. But it doesn't mean it doesn't have flaws in it and that we couldn't improve.

I'm just here to point out people put Finland on a pedestal.

You shouldn't. It's not terrible in most ways, and pretty good in a lot of ways. But don't idolise. Realism. It's just different, so different problems as well.

Kela (National Pension Institution) urges thousands to seek cheaper housing.

And these people are already living on the housing which is the cheapest available. It's basically just a convoluted excuse from the government for austerity to social security. Since none of the social security or the like are being reduced, they've just "indexed the calculation for reasonable living costs" or some shit, send out these letters, which people will reply to with "wtf do you think I can do, because moving would cost and there's literally no cheaper housing available" and then Kela will go "oh well guess then you're voluntarily taking a cut in your social security (so definitely don't blame the government, blame the markets or whatever)?". And that's the point of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm sorry that your dose of reality - countering a 'paris effect' but for Finland - earned you downvotes for ... Truth?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They say that there should be preconditions for mental health treatment and then don't remotely explain why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Do you want a three page essay on why I think these things are?

Because I have a lot of personal experience. Decades worth, in fact, and it's no problem, but the reasons are not simple and it will take some reading from you, with a few quite incredible things, which I wouldn't have believed if some random person had told me them online 15 years ago, but of which I have actual proof. On my body as well as photos, other recordings and official papers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Am I having an aneurysm rn?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 minutes ago

I occasionally need heavy pharmaceutical aid for sleep. I wrote that while I woke up in the middle of my sleep.

The syntax might be fucked, I'll admit that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Eh that's classic lemmy. Will downvote anything that points at nuance.

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