I've seen nothing more demonic than prosperity gospel.
this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2024
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Would be funny if it wasn't so sad and aggravating.
As a conservative I support this idea, because it has no means testing.
Means testing is fucked up in two ways:
- It makes government larger and gets the government asking questions, poking its nose into everything
- It creates a perverse incentive structure, one which doesn’t match nature and hence doesn’t match the way our brains evolved to respond to challenge.
The perverse incentive structure is the worse of the two, in my opinion. Just like crack cocaine hacks the brain, presents something the brain can’t handle because it didn’t evolve for, rewarding a person with resources only when they don’t succeed basically programs a person to fail.
I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people, and letting the people decide when to start receiving benefits and when to stop. People are either worth it or they aren’t, and a person doesn’t stop being worth it just because they got their shit together, or start being worth it just because they failed.
Government should treat everyone the same. If a government wants to present a service like “free housing if you want it”, I’m totally fine with that.
A conservative with compassion and sense is always a welcome sight. This is a pretty obvious solution imo, but the powers that be seem to disagree.
I'm for restricting human behavior as little as possible while still allowing anyone to escape any bad situation they don't want to be apart of.
Nooooo that money is supposed to go to hard working shareholders like nature intended!!
/s
Ok, but how can Finland afford the nesting-doll yachts if they are giving out money that should have gone into billionaires' hoards?
Why does it even need to be a transaction? We help each other because it's the right thing to do. It doesn't need to result in anything other than gratitude and happiness.
Who knew getting them healthy and back in the workforce paying taxes could pay off?
This here exactly should be the goal of all those "fiscally responsible" Republicans: homeless sick dude is healed and housed and counseled until he's back paying his damned taxes and a productive member of society again.
People who can't cope will need a different programme, but still a live-in deal with counseling and a focus on the fundamental needs.
"Party of fiscal responsibility" is projection, just like everything else.
Homeless people cost more money than these programs do, even if you don't take into account the amount of taxes being paid back.
So do prisons. It's all performative nonsense from a financial perspective.
The "4 out of 5" figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.
Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren't cheap.
It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.
"They don't do anything in return?" "They don't get worse!" "But who compensates the people who help them?" "We do." "But then who compensates us?"
Like do these people realize that if we give people the means to not just survive, but thrive, in our society which rapidly approaches post-scarcity (I'd argue we'd basically be there if we had better distribution of wealth) then they would have no reason to steal or kill? I mean except for the worst cases, but ya know.. if everyone except for the truly evil has no reason or desire to do crime then....
Just saying imagine a world where police actually fought bad guys and just let social workers handled the wayward sheep, the downtrodden, and the desperate?
Twitter is bad.
I'd like to point out that "mental health counseling without any preconditions" is definitely bullshit. For free? Sure. Without preconditions? Nah.
Housing though? Available for everyone, sure, and compared to most other countries, the system is good. But it doesn't mean it doesn't have flaws in it and that we couldn't improve.
I'm just here to point out people put Finland on a pedestal.
You shouldn't. It's not terrible in most ways, and pretty good in a lot of ways. But don't idolise. Realism. It's just different, so different problems as well.
Kela (National Pension Institution) urges thousands to seek cheaper housing.
And these people are already living on the housing which is the cheapest available. It's basically just a convoluted excuse from the government for austerity to social security. Since none of the social security or the like are being reduced, they've just "indexed the calculation for reasonable living costs" or some shit, send out these letters, which people will reply to with "wtf do you think I can do, because moving would cost and there's literally no cheaper housing available" and then Kela will go "oh well guess then you're voluntarily taking a cut in your social security (so definitely don't blame the government, blame the markets or whatever)?". And that's the point of it.
I'm sorry that your dose of reality - countering a 'paris effect' but for Finland - earned you downvotes for ... Truth?
They say that there should be preconditions for mental health treatment and then don't remotely explain why.
Eh that's classic lemmy. Will downvote anything that points at nuance.
I really don't think anyone can get physically healthier (I think that's a big point) when they are sleeping in the cold and don't have good nutrition. (Multivitamins ftw.)
multivitamins have been proven to be useless.
Thought it was just that they were useless for most healthy adults with any diet short of nutritional deficiency.
yes, that's what we should be advocating for unhoused people, not wasting money on multivitamins. If we're already talking about giving them an apartment and counseling, I don't think a reasonable meal plan is much more to ask for. Especially if our aim is to get them back into a healthy lifestyle, healthy food should absolutely be part of that plan.
Everyone deserves food, shelter and safety
Ok Jesus.
Whats next, everyone should be able to see a doctor if they are sick!?
This guy.
Ive had it up to here with this new testament soy boy. Wheres the brimstone? Wheres the suffering?
In my day, the women lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like that of donkeys and whose emission were like horses. Ezekiel 23:20
MY God commits war crimes on a massive scale:
The earth will be shaken from its place at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts on the day of His burning anger. Like a hunted gazelle, like a sheep without a shepherd, each will return to his own people, each will flee to his native land.
Whoever is caught will be stabbed, and whoever is captured will die by the sword.
Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses will be looted, and their wives will be ravished. Isaiah 13:13-16
HBO needs to make an old testament series. I need a GoT budget thrown at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, after at least half an hour of truely understanding their wickedness.
Best I can do is a reboot of supernatural and $3.50 .
The "wickedness" of Sodom is described as:
Ezekiel 16:49–50: "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it."
later prophetic reproaches of Sodom and Gomorrah do not condemn, implicate, or even mention homosexual conduct as the reason for the cities' destruction: instead assigning the blame to other sins, such as adultery, dishonesty,[48] and uncharitableness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#The_sin_of_Sodom
So... pretty much America?
Adultery, dishonesty and uncharitableness...
Yeah that explains my ex pretty well. I guess fire 'n brimstone is what we gonna get
Also I don't quite get it. Who makes the money?
Oh is this so they can work?
Do they have to sign a contract where they will work for you or else they lose the house and counseling?
I just don't see how a society can continue if they aren't paying their fair share!
/SarcasticCapitalism
The worst thing is, this is a far more effective way to make them productive members of society. It just isn’t cruel.
Had me in the first half. My thumbs were really revving up.
Borsch he is silen
mmm, yes, their sweaty, sweaty fate
"It's called a reference, sweaty -- look it up."
(Maybe, anyway.)
I came here to heckle the person who can't find the edit button. Thanks for making sure it was already handled.
Dishwashers are an accessibility item, too. Housing should be required to have them, just like places require wheelchair ramps.
And if we have to pick in-unit laundry should be top priority. You can do a lot with a sink and a hot plate but ain’t nobody should be washing clothes by hand and having to keep an eye on your clothes, especially for unhoused people who are probably a little justified in being worried about leaving their stuff unattended, takes some energy people may not have.
A free laundry room is fine
Yeah here in Finland that is basically achieved by having a laundry-room in apartment buildings that you can reserve. In some of the places I lived, it did cost though, so more of a laundromat in the cellar of your building. But usually free in the buildings that have a lot of government supported people.
Absolutely. I'm currently living in a shelter, and we have 3 washers and dryers, 1 of each has been busted for at least a week. The door locks, and only staff has the code. Sharing a laundry situation has barely any pros, and mostly cons.
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