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with supply and demand and all... IM DEMANDING CANNED BREAD!! where's the supply ๐Ÿฅบ?

It replaces workers with robots so it would probably save money too.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Japan has a lot of drink vending machines, but relatively few food or candy vending machines. This is actually an area where the United States performs strongly. That being said, Japan has a real number of strange vending machines.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Is this cool because it has Japan signs? Has it any more features than US machines? Or US has no vending machines at all?

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

This looks like it's serving hot food. US vending machines only have cold or room temp packaged stuff. They're very basic. The range of machines in Japan is seemingly endless, and many of them are far more complex machine wise than what we typically have here.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

This vending machine is serving good that comes out already heated/ at the very least warmed. It's not just bags of chips

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There are vending machines but they generally don't serve hot food or nearly the same amount of variety as Japanese machines do. Usually only soft drinks and shelf-stable snacks like candy bars, chips, cookies or crackers.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

cuz nobody likes eating out of plastic containers in the United States. these vending machines are full of extremely processed garbage taste like shit and produces a shitload of plastic garbage, waste garbage crap. I like Japan.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I can't tell if this is satirical.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever seen the frozen food section of a grocery store?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Factories I've worked at had vending machines filled with microwavable food (burritos, burgers, sandwiches, etc). All of it was pretty disgusting.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Somehow related. There is a Japanese anime where the protagonist is a human that reborns as a vending machine.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Been watching it. It's fucking wacky

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[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My boss once said that you can abuse human workers, you can underpay them, you can worsen their conditions (and if you do it slowly) they might not notice, or they going to work even harder to survive. Worst case scenario they quit, and you just find another one "new" and repeat the cycle.

But you can't underpay robots. You can't abuse them. Why? Because they just break. You skip on maintenance, on working conditions, on anything around robots - and you are looking on fat sum of money that just going to get burnt on a new robot and its installation.

So no, robots are not going to save money, especially in this scenario, because abuse would be massive.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Except robots don't need to take as many breaks nor do you have to pay them minimum wage.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The problem is minimum wage is the break even equivalent of like 2-10k human hours without even factoring in expensive maintenance costs.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

A return on investment of 0.5 to 2.5 years is pretty good for companies. You also have to factor the costs of maintaining a space for a human equivalent. Paying a wage doesn't cover all labor costs.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You do actually have to pay them more than minimum wage, if you think about it.

Minimum wage in many countries is so low it's not enough to sustain a human. You can't do it to a robot, since it will just not do its job, no matter how many regulators you capture or how many middle management manipulations you pull. You have to pay a living wage to a robot.

This is why "people are still cheaper than robots". What happens if there's a 20% wave of inflation? With workers, it's "we don't give out 20% pay raises, grow up", with robots, it's "here is your power bill, it's 30% higher to cover for any further fluctuations in inflation, pay it or shut your factory down".

Robots need breaks too, if they are not regularly maintained they will start to make mistakes, costly mistakes, and they might break, and when one breaks, you don't just recruit one more wage slave from the fucked up job market, you shell out a lot of money for a new robot.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There may be cases where the price of labor is lower than the price of a specific machine, but the Industrial Revolution was built on replacing labor with capital.

It isn't evenly spread out, but it is something increasingly happening to more and more jobs.

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[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have to pay them minimum wage, It's just called "monthly maintenance expenses" and it's quite a bit more than minimum pay for humans

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

and it's quite a bit more than minimum pay for humans

Is it? I can buy a vending machine for less than $8000. Converting that cost to minimum wage, that is ~28 full time weeks worth of labor to act as a mechanism to sell items. There are probably a lot of times when the cost in capital is less than the cost in labor.

[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Japan can have more vending machines, because their culture raises people in a way that they have less vandalism and the companies take more responsibility for problems with vending.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I'm in France. There is a gas station near me with three vending machines : drinks, pizzas, and CBD.

The pizza one is mostly fine. The grid protecting the screen was torn apart. Tbf it was annoying. The drinks one is damaged, and is now protected by a metal cage. The CBD machine is completely destroyed.

All publicly available objects in France end up like this.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago

I thought you were going to say that their culture is more insular and less sociable, because that would be a better explanation than the popularity of vending machines.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It replaces workers with robots so it would probably save money too.

And now the workers cannot afford bread.

Next move?

[โ€“] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Vending machines work better when there's more foot traffic and more density.

Vending machines with specialty goods (as pictured) need to be restocked every day and they require even more foot traffic. I think this is the biggest factor why OP's vending machine is not viable in a lot of places in the US.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are a lot of cool vending machines in Japan, but the food ones are usually gross.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. I prefer the schoolgirl used panties or ass juice ones myself.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Well, I was thinking the coffee or electronics ones. But I'll take your word for it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Sometimes those vending machines are very unsanitary and would not pass health regulations here in the US.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're trying to get away from wrapping everything in plastic film.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That's not a factor, there are a good selection of cellophane-like materials that are biodegradable

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