Tipping should be to reward personel for excelent service, not to enable companies to underpay their workers. Every worker should earn a living wage. When a company goes bust when they have to pay workers a living wage, they have no right to exsist and should go bust.
this post was submitted on 17 Feb 2024
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Good service should result in my continued patronage. This means the business is succesful and the employees deserve a raise. This is how it works for everyone else...
Why we've decided people delivering food to you should get a tip is beyond me. I don't tip my mechanic, grocery store worker or the cleaner at the office. They all deliver a direct service to you as well, but they shouldn't get a tip?
Exactly. When people work somewhere, they need to earn a living wage. When they give exceleny=t service, you can tip, no matter which business they're in.
Tipping culture sucks, but good luck getting anyone who actively benefits from it to admit that. I'm looking at you, bartenders who spend ten seconds popping open my beer and expect fucking 25% of the fucking 8 dollars on top of taxes. Fuck you, you get ONE DOLLAR PER DRINK. I dont give a fuck if you think i'm a tightwad, fuck you shit's expensive, and you're lucky I'm even doing that. Go ahead, gimme that stinkeye see if I give a fuck.
I'm about ready to start telling service workers to spit in my food or form a union. You're choice.
Definitely. I'll give a decent tip for a cocktail, but you get a buck if you're pouring me a beer or popping open a bottle.
Well, yeah a mixed drink is more for sure. Or if they actually like provide conversation or any service at all really. I'm not against paying for service, I just don't think the honor system is a good way of doing it when it effectively means employers reliably abuse that honor to cheap out on fair compensation, and I'm sick of supporting unfair unethical business practices. What I really need to do is quit tipping entirely, but fuck me I've worked for tips before, I know how it goes. Just that bartenders happen to be one of the few positions that receive tips that actually benefit from the arrangement compared to just being paid a fair wage for their labor. And when people feel bad for not dropping an extra 25% (Twenty-Five Percent! She actually had the audacity to complain I didn't leave Twenty-Five Percent! To my face!) it's no surprise.
Worse.
Without tips, the employer pays $7.50/hr. That's not enough to live on, especially since food service workers are almost universally working part time.
With tips, the employer pays $2.50/hr, but tips can make up the difference to be somewhat more reasonable.
To abolish tipping, we need to:
- Abolish servers' wage ($2.50) / pay full minimum wage.
- Double the minimum wage to $15/hr.
Just doubling the minimum wage isn't sufficient. It'd need to be made to match inflation and cost of living as they rise in the future.
I'm thinking the government needs to fix the prices where they are and force humanity to accept a 30$/hr minimum wage to gain back the equivalent buying power of an individual in the 70s.
(This is simplified and generalized)
In the short term it would be worse for workers. Their employers are only required to make up the difference in pay to the non-tipped minimum wage (the normal minimum wage). With tips most servers are making above minimum wage (depending on the restaurant some servers are making quite a bit more than minimum wage; it can be a viable career for some). If a server had been making more than (non-tipped) minimum wage, and everyone stopped tipping, they would probably lose money since their employers are not required to make up the difference to what they had been earning with tips. Since the federal minimum wage is not a livable wage for most of the population, this would be very bad for the servers.
Longer-term it could make a difference, since those servers would likely start leaving their jobs for better paying jobs elsewhere and the restaurants would have to raise their base pay to compete or risk closing. To some extent we’re already seeing this in some industries. I’ve noticed most of the fast food restaurants (non-tipped) are advertising starting pay close to double the federal minimum wage. If the crisis became large enough Congress might be forced to finally raise the minimum wage.
Making employees rely on tips instead of paying them a fair wage is a bad system. I’m not sure how to end it in a way that doesn’t hurt the employees, though, short of congressional action.
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