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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Don't fruit trees need extra care and pruning, and the fruit that falls to the ground is also kind of a mess to clean up. Sturdy trees are good in the city, since they are low upkeep and very good for air quality and shade. I am however a huge fan of vertical gardens with edible plants. Imagine a whole wall with mint growing on it, that would be wicked!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I think it's a combination of the effort required and sadly the liability too. I would imagine anyone who is saying "feel free to come eat this food" is exposing themselves to lawsuits, to some degree. The kinds of organizations who are large enough to make a big impact by deciding to grow some food on their properties are the same ones who'd be targeted by frivolous lawsuits, costing money just to defend against, and offering the orgs no tangible benefit in return.

To be clear, I don't agree with structuring things this way and I think it's a trash way for our society to work, but growing food in "public" places seems non-viable without addressing that big vulnerability somehow.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I mean cmon though - in a capitalist country someone would take ALL the fruit and then sell it to people. “It was public but then it became MINE and if you want it you need to enrich MY wealth with a piece of YOUR value”

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

Then I say we enforce the social contract of "don't be a fucking asshole", with force if needed.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

"God created everything for billionaires to profit from!" Duh!

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just a bafflingly dumb response to such an obviously great thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

This is the result of a century of propaganda and destruction of public spaces

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Johnny Appleseed would have a word

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I remember when I was young I got ticketed for trespassing on public property. I was so offended. Yet that’s the society we live in. Public resources aren’t for use by the public, they are for use by the small fraction of the public who control them.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We're gonna need the detail. The county jail is public property, but you can't waltz in and say hi to the inmates.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It was for staying too late in a public park. It was meant to be closed after dark. I overstayed by like an hour.

I think there’s a big difference between breaking and entering and trespassing. Going into a restricted area is more like the latter. Although there’s the whole ethics of a prison to consider as well but I don’t want to get into that.

But yes there may be a small number of situations where public access should be forbidden but right now that’s a minority of all of the completely unnecessary restrictions that exist.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (6 children)

There will be atleast 1 asshole trying to take all the aplles fer themselves. I guarantee it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Opens Apple selling stand across the street.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

God damn apple stealing whores....

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Meh, that's why you plant an abundance. No value if you can't steal at least most and probably be able to travel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

That's a good solution I didn't really consider. Sad that my brain considers 1 apple tree already way more than any government might be willing to plant

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Guess we can't have anything nice as long as one person might be selfish.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't say we shouldn't do it. I just wanted to point out that sadly one jerk will probably try and ruin it for everyone

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

We should bring back tar and feather punishments or maybe exile, for people who ruin good things so they can benefit more than anyone else

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And then you have old ladies come by to take all the fruit for themselves saying "It's public property bitch!!"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Great when are we eating the pie? I'll bring ice cream

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Presumably because everyone assumes the tragedy of the commons will happen as it always does. And, little red hen, there's a sense that if one person does the work, they are owed the fruits of their labor

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

It's only a tragedy if allowing "first come, first served" until the resource is completely exhausted is actually a problematic outcome. For urban fruit trees intentionally planted for the public, I'd argue that that isn't the case.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Talking about tragedy of the commons on the internet, in a decentralized network, is an extremely funny bit.

Do I need to mention that the guy who came up with it was a racist who wanted to justify displacing the "unproductives"?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But a fruit tree in a public space is like an open field or playground equipment in a public space. They are there for everyone, and people who complain that the 'wrong people' are using those public rrsources for personal use are selfish idiots.

Like if a company came in and took all the fruit, sure, that would be wrong. But someone taking apples to make a pie? That's what it is there for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What if I hire a dozen people to randomly, individually go and pick all the fruit and bring it to me, and then I make a profit reselling what they collect?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What if one person comes in and takes it all? Don't even need companies, just individuals.

That's the tragedy of the commons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What if the tree only produces 3 fruit, is it wrong for three siblings to pick and eat them?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So we shouldn't have nice things because someone might act in bad faith?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Literally the fruits in this case.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same comments I got when I said I was planting apple trees in my front yard. Those are for the public, the ones in my back yard are for me.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Everyone in my street is selling their apples on the street. Every house has a little basket and a sign "1 kilo 1 euro" or something like that. Some are even giving them away for free. I gave mine away in bulk, so I haven't got anything to pu in the street.

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