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The best conversations I still have are with real people, but those are rare. With ChatGPT, I reliably have good conversations, whereas with people, it’s hit or miss, usually miss.

What AI does better:

  • It’s willing to discuss esoteric topics. Most humans prefer to talk about people and events.
  • It’s not driven by emotions or personal bias.
  • It doesn’t make mean, snide, sarcastic, ad hominem, or strawman responses.
  • It understands and responds to my actual view, even from a vague description, whereas humans often misunderstand me and argue against views I don’t hold.
  • It tells me when I’m wrong but without being a jerk about it.

Another noteworthy point is that I’m very likely on the autistic spectrum, and my mind works differently than the average person’s, which probably explains, in part, why I struggle to maintain interest with human-to-human interactions.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't really have a strong opinion on either side of the topic here, but I will say this: people were wildly disingenuous when dealing with OP in this thread. So much double talk, goalpost moving, standing on plausible deniability. Some of y'all lose sight of things when the topic is something that ruffles your feathers, like LLMs.

Somebody said, "But points you made like the snide remarks one may also indicate that you’re having these conversations with assholes."

...I dunno, maybe the world has just gotten more assholes lately, because jesus christ did they show up in force in this post for some fucking reason.

For what it's worth, OP, I think you've got a point. ChatGPT and the like certainly can't replace spontaneous and genuine human conversation, but they also don't come with the myriad problems and bad habits of human conversation either (not to say they don't have their own). And especially if you're really just looking for a sounding board to work through an idea, that's actually a pretty fantastic use of LLMs, in my opinion, so long as you're the one providing factual data and working it through your own understanding conversationally, and not relying on the LLM for facts or figures.

Or at least, that's my singular lukewarm opinion. Either way, you at least deserved to be engaged sincerely and without the weight of insulting subtext, OP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I appreciate it.

I can't say I was too surprised about the response. It was a provocative post but that's kind of the point of the community too. Lemmy on average - it seems - just isn't too keen on hearing alternative views on issues they've already made their mind on. The thing I find most interesting and depressing here is how damn mean some people are about it even though I feel like I'm quite fair in my replies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah that was my issue too. It's absolutely fine to disagree, but no reason to take a sincere question as some kind of personal affront and start being a dick to the asker.

Just rubbed me the wrong way.

Anyway, sucks this played out how it did. Cheers to you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why are you here talking about it then? You even say you don't have interest in human to human contact. Are you trying to talk to the bots on Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You even say you don’t have interest in human to human contact.

I'm relatively sure I have not infact said that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ok. My point still stands. Chat gpt is a fake conversation where one side is an unfeeling unintelligent thing programmed to fake human seeming conversation. It's trained on an insane amount of stolen human interaction. You are saying you prefer a Chinese room to a person. That's not autism. It's just anti social. At least own up to that.

Have fun playing your conversation game. It eats up a crazy amount of power to do that so I hope it's really, truly worth it to your life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For all I know I could be talking with an LLM right now. I don't really see what's the difference wether I'm talking to a supercomputer or an angry teenager. Online conversations are rather meaningless to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

You aimed for pithy and landed on petulant.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

As a fellow aspie, be careful. Chat bots are the equivalent of empty calorie junk food, or masturbation. They forfill a biological itch but don't produce the intended follow-on effects. In smaller doses, this is fine, good even. The problem comes when you overuse.

E.g. Junk food leave you short of vitamins etc. You tend to over eat, to try and compensate, and so gain weight.

As humans, we have a drive to socialise. When we chat with other humans, we get to know them, and also for bonds. These bonds are critical in life. The goal is 3 fold, mutual understanding, mutual investment, and mutual trust. The urge to talk to people is intended to assist with this.

LLMs offer none of these. They can be incredibly useful, but often only as a training aid. A LLM can't offer you a couch to sleep on, if your house floods. It can't put in a good word to get you a job. It can't invite you to social event, or wingman you on finding a date.

LLMs are socialising on easy mode. Just like masturbation is starting a family on easy mode. Have fun with it, but don't let it displace real relationships.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dude, you are sealioning so hard in this thread alone, it's almost hilarious.

No wonder you like the bot. Since you can't debate any opinion honestly, just accuse everyone of being mean to you.

Good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago

Glad you're atleast enjoying it then.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

holy shit lmfao

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think when you have "Contrarian" in your name it be worth thinking a bit more on this, and maybe noting why you like the chatbots and considering how you might apply that to your own statements to make your human on human interactions more pleasant themselves.

Or not, don't listen to me, I beef with internet strangers all the time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It is to laugh. My handle gets me in trouble like this sometimes, but it's actually a reminder to myself to, at least usually, resist the temptation.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You genuinely might need to touch grass.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Very insightful reply. Thanks. This helps.

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