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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

  1. W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial

  2. For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD

  3. Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Stop purchasing from Amazon

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don't consider it e-waste.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases

That's why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But "e-waste" means something so outadet that it's useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.

And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it's heavily used equipment?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

"NUOVO" in Capital letters means NEW

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So keeping it from being actual ewaste it's now going to be used by someone... That seems like a good thing.

The only downside I see is that it isn't disclosed

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It can't be legitimate because licences for the bundled software cost more than the machines are being sold for. Also, the hardware included isn't officially Windows 11 compatible, so selling it with Windows 11 installed is misleading the customer into thinking they're buying something much more recent than they really are. For a decent number of people buying these, they're likely to own something just as new already, and could get a free upgrade to Windows 11 by doing the same configuration tweaks as the sellers did.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do you mean you wouldn't consider it a scam if it has W10 preinstalled instead? How much is MS Office anyway? I know there are $5 W11 keys all over the place.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The only time a tried to buy a laptop from Amazon it was advertised as 16Gb of RAM. What was delivered was 8G with an 8GB SD card taped to the box and Amazon refused to give me an actual refund. So i just assume any computer you buy on Amazon is fraudulent now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Should have done a charge back

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

That seems like an entirely different problem from the one being discussed.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I got the one on the top (minus storage and ram) from a local university surplus store for $30 a few years ago. Lenovo brand but same form factor.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Very possible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

lol, the one on top is the same i bought in 2016, crazy still on the market. I still have the CPU, replaced motherboard, case, and other goodies over the years

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Same. Should be rock bottom prices.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

the lenghts people will go because they refuse to consider the penguin.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've formatted and installed W11 on dozens of computers and never had it fail once. My gaming rig is an Optiplex from 2014, runs 11 just fine.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"

Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"

Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not

In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)

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