ah yes nothing will go wrong no meltdowns whatsoever
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Knowing the incompetence of Microsoft is making me re-think my pro-nuclear stance...maybe it should be banned.
Welcome to Full Dystopia.
The fucking timeline we’re in
Don't get me wrong, nuclear energy is good. It's just being used to power AI. That's a waste. It's being used so a corporation can profit, not to power homes. It's being used to potentially replace humans, who need less power to function and whose power consumption cannot already be avoided anyway.
I did not expect there to be so many "nuclear is scary!" idiots here.
I live in Italy. I may even trust nuclear power (even though I'm not sure if waste management has improved), I don't trust actual human beings handling contracts, funds, and maintenance.
A bridge collapsed in Genoa, killing 43 people, splitting the city in two, and crippling the economy because Autostrade per l'Italia skirted the pesky issue of maintenance.
And yet I bet you're not up in arms about every bridge ever built.
Ok, fine. I bet you don't even think you should be up in arms about every bridge ever built. In fact, I bet you're perfectly okay with the concept of bridges, and feel no guilt or any emotion whatsoever every time you cross one. I bet the morality of the existence of bridges are a complete non factor in your thinking.
And yet, for nuclear plants...all of that matters. For some COMPLETELY INEXPLICABLE reason.
Curious indeed.
Unfortunately it's like the lottery, and fear of flying. You can explain the odds and the history until you're blue in the face but it doesn't mean anything when somebody sees a documentary and it fills their whole psyche with terror. And you can try to explain that there are safer plant designs out there and that being careful about where you put a plant is a big deal, but the only thing they're going to walk away from the conversation with is Chernobyl, Fukushima in Three Mile Island.
I hadn't realized until I hung out on a Europe forum that anti-nuclear-power positions are very strong in Germany with the center-left.
Western Austria also has a history here. At one point, they infamously built an entire nuclear power plant -- which is where the real costs of nuclear power come from -- and then shut it down via a referendum driven by the anti-nuclear-power crowd before ever actually using it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwentendorf_Nuclear_Power_Plant
The Zwentendorf Nuclear Power Plant was the first commercial nuclear plant for electric power generation built in Austria, of three nuclear plants originally envisioned. Construction of the plant at Zwentendorf was finished but the plant never entered service. The start-up of the Zwentendorf plant, as well as the construction of the other two plants, was prevented by a referendum on 5 November 1978, in which a narrow majority of 50.47% voted against the start-up.[1][2]
The plant was purchased by Austrian energy company EVN Group in 2005; it is used as a security training centre[6] and leased for filming, photography, and other events.[7] In 2025, it will be used as the training ground for ENRICH European Robotics Hackathon.[8]
Yeah and lemmy is more European leaning than I'm used to. There's a huge European contingent
I live near enough to TMI that a catastrophic event would be severely detrimental to my health, but I see this as a good thing (if you can call AI good). Clean, safe energy, and jobs for people in an area that needs jobs, win-win.
ELI5 please why they don't just put their server farms in a desert, roofed with solar panels and a big-bum battery?
Turning off the server farm once the sun goes down would be inconvenient.
The Susquehanna River that Three Mile Island sits on offers virtually unlimited fresh cold water for cooling the server farm.
And it flows into Chesapeake bay after passing by Peach Bottom nuke plant, where unannounced inspections have revealed everyone sleeping.
At one time, farmers used to grow popcorn on 3MI. Post-incident, pets were born with deformities on the York County side, harder to tell with the humans there.
We won't go into the time I drove into Indian Point during the day and found no one in attendance. No guards, gates open, etc.
I drove all over the plant. Took a while to find anyone, and that person was annoyed at my needing to make a delivery, but there was no one at the dock.
I'm not on either side, but if you read an article about nukes, someone paid for it, pro or con.
It's not that simple.
Fucking up the temperature downstream; global warming baby! But who needs that ecosystem? It's survive or die, and that includes the beavers! Down with trees, up with fleas(markets)!
Total ecological collapse is a small price to pay to boost shareholders' wealth by 0.1%!
line must go up
Because you want data centers to be closer to the users for speed.
Transit latency is a tiny tiny fraction of the round trip time for AI processing tasks. Until AI tasks are in the order of milliseconds instead of seconds it's a rounding error.
Doesn't that depend on the application?
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