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Another thumbs up for tuta.
I use posteo.de which costs 1โฌ/month. It is simple, but works fine.
they have an easy way of creating alias-emails
With mailbox.org and other normal mail providers you should just be able to set a catch-all address, then you don't have to create aliases at all, just type "[email protected]"
If an email provider charges you more to create 'aliases' run far away and pick something else.
I wouldn't switch to Proton personally, they require that you use their own apps or use an IMAP bridge which doesn't work on Android/iOS. Their ecosystem feels very restrictive.
I don't see the point of an encrypted email provider like Proton, since 99% of the emails we all receive aren't encrypted anyways, and sending encrypted emails only easily works to other proton mail users.
oh ok, I have not tried that yet. I have only set up one address which I use yo send and receive from.
about the encryption: I thought the point with e2ee encryption on proton is mainly, that the mails are stored encrypted one their servers so they can not read them or hand them out to anyone.
Basically all email is E2EE already since SSL/TLS is usually used for transport, even gmail and similar. But encrypted at rest in theory would help with stopping people from reading emails off the server.
You also have to trust that Proton truly doesn't have your keys to decrypt, but I imagine they do since you just login with a username/password combo and that's enough to decrypt the emails.
Although I don't think it matters that much, my email is basically receiving notifications from services I use and occasional emails with a friend about planning a trip or something like that, nothing that particularly needs to be super private, just using a mail provider that isn't actively scraping my data for ads (aka; gmail) is enough for me.
For private communications I would use something more suited to that, like any of the reasonable E2EE chat apps.
that's why I love great communities like this one here. you aks one think, maybe totally overthinking and read an answer like this, which helps you realize the overthinking :)
thanks for that. what you say makes sence. I really NEED to make a threat-model to find out, what is worth keeping private and what isn't worth the trouble.
Thank you :)
Was there any controversy with Proton email? I remember hearing everyone shitting on it ywars ago. Did they do something to piss everyone off, but later fixed it?
I don't think the email alias thing comes with Mail Plus, it's part of Proton Pass. You either need to get Unlimited which includes all of their products or pair mail plus with the paid version of Pass. There's a chance I'm wrong because I have Unlimited and haven't really explored it, but look into it before you commit.
You get 10 aliases on mail+
Email isn't a private system
Proton?
Hey, I outlined some tools in my list here! TL;DR is Proton Mail + addy.io is as good as it gets, with Tuta and SimpleLogin as close contenders. Good luck!
Fair warning though, using a service like addy.io with randomly generated emails can go bad if they ever shutdown, you'll be left with tons of accounts on email addresses that no longer exist.
It's better than using the same email for everything, which still runs the same risk. I try to minimize the services I use that require an email for this very reason. I will note, self hosting + addy.io provides much more control with the same benefits and drawbacks.
Oh for sure, the better alternative is your own domain with either catch-all or self hosting something like addy.io, then you don't have any risk of losing those email addresses (assuming you don't let your domain expire).
i already bookmarked the list, great work btw. I will look into the options you wrote.
Proton purchased SimpleLogin in 2022 and the creator/dev has been working there ever since. Also, you can easily create random email aliases in Vaultwarden/Bitwarden via the SimpleLogin API.
Proton purchased SimpleLogin in 2022 and the creator/dev has been working there ever since.
I knew this, I'm trying not to keep my eggs in one basket.
Also, you can easily create random email aliases in Vaultwarden/Bitwarden via the SimpleLogin API.
This still requires a SimpleLogin/Proton account, so there's no added benefit. Plus, this is true for Addy as well.
Just a reminder: with Proton you can't use IMAP for your email client, you either need their mail client (mobile) or bridge app (desktop).
While technically true, bridge is ultimately an IMAP server you run yourself ... and they do have good reasons for this design.
do you know theit reason?
Imap and end to end encryption are not possible at the same time.
Bridge exposes an IMAP interface but encrypts everything as Proton would, had you used the web client.
It solves a technical limitation.
oh so only when using their client I have the e2ee for the emails on their server? kind of makes sence but def. a point to take into consideration.
No, I think you are misunderstanding my poor explanation.
Your emails are encrypted at rest on their server regardless if you use the web client or IMAP through the bridge.
The thing is that the encryption layer must happen at some point in time when you communicate with their API:s. In the web client this encryption is built-in. IMAP on the other hand does not support this type of end to end encryption, so the bridge adds this layer for you.
So you communicate unencrypted locally between your email client (Thunderbird for example) and the Protonmail bridge that you have installed locally on your computer. Then Protonmail bridge encrypts and decrypts all emails for you. So to your email client, it seems like a normal email server, but in reality everything is encrypted.
(Standard "encrypted email" disclaimer: Your emails are not encrypted in transit unless both parties, sending and receiving, are set up for encryption. Email is otherwise not end to end encrypted in transit)
Check out Posteo!
They are very cheap, only $1 for 10 aliases and then then $0.1/month for any additional aliases. But can't pay with monero.
Proton Mail?
I have both Proton Unlimited and Mailbox. I prefer keeping my Mailbox account for mail, calendar and contacts. With Proton, I'd have to use their apps or some bridge, whereas Mailbox can be used with any app. I also have multiple domains connected with Mailbox and use plenty of aliases, so I don't really see why Proton would be better in that regard.
I don't have any suggestions to add, but as someone who subscribes to both, I was simply wondering what Mailbox lacks compared to Proton in your opinion.
well the easy if use for the temp-emails is better on proton I'd say. and keeping files in Switzetland is better then saving them in Germany (i think).
I quite like Fastmail. It's a bit expensive but the service is very reliable and they have a well established reputation. You can create masked emails using their domain or your own from the web interface.
Runbox, a privacy-focused email provider out of Norway. Our family has been using it for many years with zero issues. The prices are very decent.
Can I open an account with TOR browser and pay with monero without having to give any info like a secondary email or phone number?
I looked inyo runbox and it looks like a really good option. what concerns me is, that it is hosted in Norway and that Norway is part of the "Fourteen Eyes alliance". Would you still recommend it?
Another vote for Runbox. Been using them for almost 5 years now with no issues. They are also an employee owned co-op if that is of interest.
Proton and its services have been pretty good. Some things to know about proton mail:
- Search is only for titles, as content is encrypted
- You can do search in the body in your browser. It downloads your email into the browser and searchers locally. It takes a while to do this and build up indexes. I haven't had too much issue searching for things though.
- Since they don't read your email, no automatic calendar events if there isn't a .ics
The VPN had been great
The storage isn't enough for me to be able to move off of my main cloud provider. There also isn't a way to pin a file on Android for it - and the 500gGB of space is less than I use
The Pass app is handy and it's easy to make aliases, though it often doesn't know to fill in, doesn't do it, or something, and I need to open the app to copy paste. Pretty trivial though.
I'm sticking with them. I don't really have a reason to leave. The aliases are really nice, the catch is that it's not easy to have them go to a sub email address that I use - it has to go to your primary email. Not a huge deal though.
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