When I heard Kamala Harris had been speaking to Hillary Clinton, I cringed, because Clinton lost. However, it sounds like what she was looking for from Clinton was what to expect from Trump, which is reasonable to ask Clinton about.
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Listening to Maddow list off just some of the most recent shit Trump said reminded me of one important thing: I can't wait for the very last time I hear his name in the news.
Based on people living out of spite i feel like he has another 20-30 years.
I swear that spite and hatred must fuel longevity somehow. Kissinger made it to 99.
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Me too, sheesh.
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You gonna watch the MSNBC feed? I think I might tune in for the first hour of pre-coverage, but tune out for the second and wait for the actual debate to begin.
Thinking about at least having it on for background noise while I'm doing other things.
I'll have to see if it's streaming since it's morning where I am. Not sure I want to see the impeached convicted criminal that much, however; might wait for the highlights reel. Edit: spelling.
Probably depends on where you are, but I'd expect ABC to have it directly.
Pre-game coverage just started on ABC (I’m streaming it now).
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She needs to stay on target.
He brings up the border?
She brings up the fact that he killed the strongest border bill the US has ever had because "it would make Biden look good."
He brings up the cost of things?
His tariffs will raise prices by at least 10% across the board.
He brings up she's soft on crime.
She can bring up that he literally is crime incarnate.
He brings up Afghanistan?
She brings up his own admission that it was his own doing:
speaking at a rally on 26 June [2021, he] even stated that he “started the process” and claimed Biden “couldn’t stop it” if he “wanted to”.
"Soft on crime?" I guarantee I'm not soft on crime and when elected I will make sure your remaining indictments are no longer delayed and fully prosecuted.
"You'll have your day in court, just like any other American. No one's above the law. You are like any other American, aren't you, Donald? Aren't you?"
How likely is Trump to show signs of being a Biden in this debate?
Biden's problem was looking lost when Trump was speaking and he wasn't. Stewart called it "Resting 25th Amendment Face".
Trump never looks lost, even when he has no clue where he's going.
Anyone else having a sinking feeling about this? Feels like a lot is riding on it.
Well, the last debate went so poorly the sitting President dropped out of the race, so... yeah!
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What's the over/under that Trump drops a hard-R?
He won't, but he'll use "black" the same way.
"All of a sudden she turned blaaaaaaack!"
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- “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.
I'm nowhere near ready to give up the fight on this one. Those bastards can pry "[Anything] 2: Electric Boogaloo" from my cold, dead hands.
I feel the same way about Hawaiian shirts.
In Hawaii they're called aloha shirts.
Turbo, Ozone, and Special K love you.
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https://www.axios.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-bingo-card-trump-harris
Refreshing that page re-generates the bingo grid....
Here's what I expect:
For Harris to "win": She needs to be able to go toe to toe with Trump. Any stuttering, nervousness, or uneasiness will be preyed upon, both immediately by Trump and afterwards in soundbytes and attack ads. She cannot have a "......we finally beat medicaid!" moment. She needs to show that she can stand up to him and give it as good as she can get it in real time. She is definitely at a bigger risk here. Trump will gaffe every 30 seconds and nobody will bat an eye. One gaffe by Harris could cost her the election. Trump will be spouting his firehose of lies while Harris won't be able to fact-check 1% in real time. Harris needs to be pretty much perfect from start to finish. Any mistakes can and will be exploited.
For Trump to "win": Expectations are really low here. He's not trying to reach new voters. He opely says he doesn't care about policy. He is doubling down on the racism and misogyny of his base. All he needs to do is control the narrative. Ignore the rules, talk louder, interrupt mid-sentence. It doesn't matter what gibberish he vomits out of his mouth. None of it will cause him to lose a vote. All he needs to do is dictate the narrative and pace of the debate. He solidifies his position among his base as the mysoginist who will put women back where they belong, and gives undecided voters doubt about whether she will be able to handle the pressure. I think as long as Trump forces everybody to play his games by his rules as he usually does, it'll be a "victory" for him. Or at the very least a tie. As long as he can portray himself as the strongman going forward, he's really got nothing to lose.
I hate your analysis, and not because you're wrong.
Outsider view from across the pond:
It appears from the outset that the Trump camp is tripping over it's own feet and stepping on landmine after landmine. Literally all Harris seems to have to do is stay on message, bat off anything too controversial, and let the opposition's trousers fall down by themselves.
It'll be interesting either way. The only real surprise to me will be whether I'll learn about key moments from news outlets or from mad memez first.
I can see where it looks that way, but you have to understand that Trump's fanbase literally does not care.
Trump could start the debate by dropping trou and laying a turd live on stage and MAGA would go on about how he's "owning ABC and the libs!"
The media would cut away and claim "Trump opened the debate by declaring his disdain for the process..."
I get it - I think at this point Trump could empty an AK47 magazine into an orphanage and his core voters wouldn't give a fuck.
I'd imagine there is a good chunk of silent "left-of-Republican" market though - people who have voted red because that's what they've always done, maybe because their household is overwhelmingly Republican but they're ready to break ranks, or even those who boarded the meme train in 2013 or 14 but are ready to get off.
I suppose an awkward analogy is being in a group of twenty people trying to get in to a bar with one or two cunts who are beyond mangled - the sensible ones looking at them and thinking "yeah I've stuck with them this far, but maybe I can make a change and enjoy the rest of the night with people who are largely sensible".
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Agree, however if debates do have any impact on an election (Biden dropping out being an exception) it's to sway disengaged and swing voters. So Trump just plays to his base I think that would qualify as a loss for him.
Disengaged voters aren't watching the debate, similarly I don't see how anyone is undecided between Trump and Harris. Maybe undecided between voting and not voting, but there's no way someone looks at two radically different candidates and goes "You know, I could really vote for either one..."
Don't think of them as undecided, think of them as indifferent. Like if I had to vote in a poll for my favorite NBA team. I don't really follow the NBA, so I might pick a team if I was forced to but I don't really care. If there was a player witn particular charisma, though, maybe I might adopt that team.
People who are just focusing on getting by might think of politics as just too much noise, stuff that doesn't affect them at all. These voters are not watching the debate, but they are seeing five-second sound bites on social media. The right little quip might be just enough to convince one of these low-engagement voters to show up.
Disengaged voters aren't watching the debate
They won't watch, but the debate can attract the attention of people who don't ordinarily think about politics but start to realize there's an election coming up. It's a broad group that I don't think you can generalize as broadly as you are (unless you're using the term "disengaged" to describe only the "refuse to participate in any way" camp).
Similarly, undecided is more likely to describe people who haven't decided if they will vote or not - either side winning and otherwise forfeited vote is a good thing for their campaign. But I also think it's incorrect to assume there's people not still on the fence about the candidate - plenty of "I like Harris but I am not sure if she's good for the economy" voters, etc.
I wish that was all she needed to do, but Trump is still a slight favorite in a lot polls that account for how the electoral college votes will be divided.
She can’t just stay on message, she needs to drive a lot of turn out in very specific parts of the nation because, sadly, the American president isn’t picked by the majority of voters.
Republicans often win the electoral college and lose the popular vote.
Losing the popular vote and winning the EC has fortunately only happened twice (or once if you instead count 2000 as stolen by SCOTUS by stopping the recount) but it unfortunately seems to be the way modern elections trend. We really need to get rid of the stupid voting system
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The bar is so low for him, he could literally shit himself on stage and his supporters would crow that it was a power move to own the libs.
Reasonable doesn't win elections here, vibes do. Its madness.
He did shit himself during the debate with Biden.
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A lot is riding on this, given the unprecedented impact of the last debate i expect a lot of people will be watching.
From one report this morning, 75% of eligible voters will be watching.
I skipped the one earlier this year and only watched clips from the last couple of elections because they were always boring slogs where neither candidate said anything of substance and their side said they won. It seemed pretty pointless to watch.
This one might break the apathy streak since Harris has gone all in on calling Trump out for being a jackass and it would be fun to watch that live and it is likely the media will just sugar coat Trump's incoherent ramblings like they have on all previous debates.
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