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The fundamental tenet of a working democracy is voting. Everyone should have a vote and everyone should exercise their right to vote. To that end we have been seeing posts attempting to shame/mock or otherwise influence people not to vote. While this is a meme community, the idea that people shouldn’t vote goes against the fundamentals of a democracy by the people and for the people. To that end, we are adding a new rule that disallows posts that discourage or shame people from voting. This doesn’t mean that you can’t address how people vote, but even those who don’t agree with you and your political views should still vote. We all should. Everyone. Part of the reason we are in the mess we are in now is because participation in democracy is abysmal. Posts discouraging people from voting are essentially propaganda and will be removed.

PoliticalMemes is a community for having fun at the expense of our political hellscape we find ourselves in. People not voting is a big part of why.

We are taking feedback on this change, please let us know if you agree or disagree in the comments and why.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Not voting is a vote of no confidence.

similar deliberative body indicate that they no longer support a leader, government,etc.

Voting is a choice. Not voting is a choice. If you take away the choice of not voting, while only allowing two candidates that a vast majority of Americans don’t want, then can you really call it a democracy?

If voting is important to you, then it would serve the community better if the suggestion of not voting was discussed and denounced in the community itself. That is the purpose of social forums, to discuss ideas.

A forum is a public meeting place for open discussions. This rule is the policing of thought, and the antithesis of a forum.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I support the change

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Centrist Democrats love to interpret any dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party as encouragement to not vote at best and overt support for Trump at worst.

I have every expectation that this will be the standard by which this rule is implemented.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can criticize and make jokes about 46 without discouraging voter turnout. They are just alot harder than making em about 45 who jokes write themselves.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course I can. That doesn't stop centrist Democrats from making accusations in bad faith because they want to silence criticism.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good. Apathy is a tool of the oppressors utilized on those who think they're being 'rebellious'.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don’t have to burn the memes; just remove them

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Part of the reason we are in the mess we are in now is because participation in democracy is abysmal

No, the reason for the mess is a system deliberately designed to benefit a handful of people at the expense of the rest. Blaming those who don't participate in the system for the system is an absurd little act of mental gymnastics (as well as a service to the aforementioned handful of people, by buying in to the division they sow for the sake of distracting us from them, who are actually responsible).

Should people vote? If they want to. Will it change anything? No. Because the choice is an illusion, as is "democracy".

Perhaps if you actually let people have the conversation instead of shutting it down because confronting the actual depth of the problem makes you too uncomfortable, we might reach a point where we can be rid of this rigged system and build one that is actually "by the people, for the people", because that sure as fuck isn't the case at the moment. Maybe the real issue here is for you to consider with yourself why you're so invested in defending the status quo..

https://web.archive.org/web/20230803021951/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic

https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-democracy-illusion-choice

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

E: having seen the example you've given, I'm outa here anyway, new rule or not, would love to know if you mod any other communities so that I can block those too. 👍

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh look at that, they're also the mod of like a third of lemmy.world including news and world news. Such unbias, very discussion.

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[–] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rule isn't in place yet. That's why this post was made to generate feedback, and attempt to engage with the community instead of rule with an iron fist, but you don't seem to understand that.

Bye.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I understand fine, the fact that it is even up for debate is already enough of a problem, which you don't seem to understand.. But hey, way to demonstrate how unbiasedly you're willing to "engage" lol

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It’s certainly easy to support this move when it applies to “discouraging voting”, but it gets murkier for posts about “discouraging voting for a certain candidate”.

The example given was one seemingly implying “X is bad - but you think Y is better??” If the net implication is “don’t vote”, then the concern is valid, but if it’s “Vote for a third party, likelihood be damned”, it does sound more valid. That said, I have yet to see memes positively highlighting a valid third party from front runners.

I’d definitely like a return to elections where we decide which candidate is best, not which is least worse.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Objection!

The fundamental tenant...

See: Tenet (the word, not the movie).

[–] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

can you give an example of the kind of post you are talking about?

[–] Tenthrow@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is an example of one that is getting a lot of reports today. https://alexandrite.app/lemmy.world/post/11948936

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i think it's pretty obvious that the post you linked is NOT discouraging voting. it's clowning democrats. but there are comments in that thread that are discouraging people from voting if they are considering someone besides a democrat or a republican, and it is reasonable to curtail that kind of activity.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

there are comments in that thread that are discouraging people from voting if they are considering someone besides a democrat or a republican, and it is reasonable to curtail that kind of activity.

jfc, can you people not hear yourselves?? 🤦‍♀️

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

America is a democracy NO WAIT YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE THAN THESE TWO PEOPLE THAT'S ILLEGAL

i know what i said, but i don't know what you're saying.

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What is the verdict on this comment from that post?

[–] probablynaked@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

In favor of this rule

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Agree wholeheartedly. There's no good-faith reason you would ever try to convince someone to not vote. None.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Imagine being dissuaded from voting by some dumb meme a stranger posted lol

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