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you mean to tell me that my two candidate options are dumb and dumber... And then thing1 and thing2? (i almost gotcha on that one)
Whatever will i do. What a hard decision.
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2024
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I'm 40yrs old. I voted for Hillary. I HATE the democrats, I HATE the republicans. Not once in 40yrs have they successfully reduced the budget, the closest was Clinton and we see how that turned out "erry budy gets a chek instead of healthy deflation", both parties have ruled during severe drops in quality of living standards, both parties have to destroyed peoples lives with the failed war on drugs. Both parties are the finger puppets for the 1%. I refuse to play their game, we lose no matter what. Vote for your drug war baron that got famous for arresting people for marijuana possession. Vote for your conman that ruins small businesses by refusing to pay for their services. Both think you're an idiot, and they can't wait until your turn to be vulnerable to them. But sure, by not voting for the douche you are supporting the turd sandwich, in the same way by not getting a diesel gas car your supporting electric vehicles.
voting now has a decent chance of changing the historical precedence here, kamala and tim walz are two unusual candidates in this cycle. Neither really have the classic dem history of the political ruling class, like biden and the clintons.
I understand why you and many other people are extremely reluctant to vote/against voting in this election. But I feel your analogy is incorrect.
By not voting for the ~~douche~~ bloodthirsty democrat you are supporting the ~~turd sandwich~~ fascist and (more) bloodthirsty republican, in the same way that not pulling the lever is supporting the death of more people on the train tracks.
Not buying diesel/gas car =/= inherent passive support for electric in any way, but in a two party system, in an election like this one, not voting, or not voting democrat directly increases ~~pedestrian train deaths~~ the odds of america falling to a fascist party with a plan. You can vote * and still protest, petition, and riot against the policies you dont like.
"Ha ha, it's so funny when minorities are hurt more because I don't feel like the suffering of oppressed demographics matter!"
not just minorities btw, everyone
NO ONE is a perfect candidate
We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.
Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.
It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.
Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.
"I don't understand what a primary is", the voter.
Let me check who I could've voted for Dem presidential candidate this year in the primaries. Here's the list:
Oh I should've voted in 2020? I could've chose between:
- Biden (no)
- Bernie "Israel has every right to defend itself" Sanders
- Bloomberg (lmao)
Biden (no)
why not biden? His admin has been pretty productive in the term they've had thus far, pushing through multiple legislative accomplishments, only heeded by the worst of the worst (the border)
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Best to wait until the opposition isn’t someone who will straight up take away your ability to vote in the first place.
wait im sorry what the fuck does this mean?
I'm so confused? This isn't a russia disinformation post is it?
I'll be waiting here on this bench
No American here. I ask myself, does a third candidate have any real chance of getting enough votes to gain visibility in the media and elsewhere? Even if it is for future elections?
I don't know the answer, but if it's no and you know it and still decide to vote for a third candidate, you're an idiot. Work to make this a reality within four years, for the next four years, if you don't do it and just complain you're an asshole.
if they do they won't drop out, and they won't be a green party candidate.
It's that simple, if a third party drops out it's because they think they're going to harm the chances of one side winning the vote.
The likelihood of a third party winning is very low. Especially if they're an independent.
The trouble with never voting for a 3rd party is that you enable the 2 party system, which fundamentally promotes tribalism, division, and corruption.
Whats worse is that it snowballs and is completely out of control. There was a time when I would say that it's worth voting for a candidate that will never get elected to sway future policy, but although it's always felt like the other guy I'd going to ruin everything, it's truer now than it has ever been. And it won't stop at Trump. Trump could be dead, some equally craven ghoul would take his place. That ship will never turn, it will only pull away from the Democrats. Nothing can ever progress. There is only the fight.
America is a cautionary tale.
If your country is lucky enough to have 3 or more major political forces, keep that alive.
vote for voting reform in your state. That solves most of that problem.
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I don't understand how you can get this so easily but people in our own damn country are literally not capable
Many of them are perfectly capable, but simply don't care if Trump wins, despite their claims. They're fine with fascism, as long as they don't have to feel bad.
Some people disgust me ngl
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good