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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

...is this actually 16Gb or 8Gb feeling like 16Gb, as per previous statements?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

It's about time.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

...in 2030.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I know it's not a like for like comparison, but the Pixel 9 Pro that launched this month has 16gb of RAM.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Some phones have 24gb since 2 years ago already

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yup, while the current iPhone 15 Pro is the only model which has 8 GB of RAM, with the regular iPhone 15 having 6 GB. All iPhone 16 models (launching next month) will still only have 8 GB according to rumors, which happens to be the bare minimum required to run Apple Intelligence.

Giving the new models only 8 GB seems a bit shortsighted and will likely mean that more complex AI models in future iOS versions won't run on these devices. It could also mean that these devices won't be able to keep a lot of apps ready in the background if running an AI model in-between.

16 GB is proper future-proofing on Google's part (unless they lock new software features behind newer models anyway down the road), and Apple will likely only gradually increase memory on their devices.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you were being cynical, you could say it was planned obsolescence and that when the new ai feature set rolls out that you have to get the new phone for them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I think they got caught with their pants down when everybody started doing AI and they were like "hey, we have this cool VR headset". Otherwise they would've at least prepared the regular iPhone 15 (6 GB) to be ready for Apple Intelligence. Every (Apple Silicon) device with 8 GB or more get Apple Intelligence, so M1 iPads from 2021 get it as well for example, even though the M1's NPU is much weaker than some of the NPUs in unsupported devices with less RAM.

They are launching their AI (or at least everything under the "Apple Intelligence" umbrella) with iOS 18.1 which won't even release with the launch of the new iPhones, and it'll be US only (or at least English only) with several of the features announced at WWDC still missing/coming later and it's unclear how they proceed in the EU.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I bet, that the next non pro iPhone will be one of the most sold iPhones, all time. Or it is the SE one, if it supports apple’s “AI”. I think, they planned that this way, so they have an explanation compared to when they tried sell new hardware for stage manager.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would say it is more so they can advertise a lower price. But then expect you to get the more expensive ones as the bare minimum is just not enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

For the base model yeah, but apple loves charging a packet for more memory so I don't see it for the top of the range models. Would be typical for them to only offer 16gb with the increased storage as well, just to bump the price up

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much what NVIDIA is doing with their GPUs. Refusing to provide adequate future proof amount of VRAM on their cards. That's planned obsolescence in action.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

And like Apple, Nvidia has no shortage of fanboys that insist the pitiful amounts of (V)RAM is enough. The marketing sway those two companies have is incredible.

It's a complete joke that Sapphire had an 8GB version of the R9 290X, what, 11 years ago or something? And yet Nvidia is still selling 8GB cards now, for exorbitant prices, and people lap it up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

This happens if you sell your hardware as DRM key to use their software (i(Pad)OS, macOS etc. and Cuda)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

The current GPU situation actually has me curious about AMDs upcoming Halo APU chips. They're likely going to be pretty expensive relative to their potential GPU equivelent performance but if they work out similar to the combined price of a CPU and GPU then it might be worthwhile as they use onboard RAM as their VRAM. Probably a crazy idea but one I look forward to theory-building in spring when they release.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I remember back in the early 2000s when I saw a PDA with a 232mhz cpu and 64mb ram, and I realized how far technology had come since I got my computer with a 233mhz cpu and 64mb ram...

Obviously different architechtures, but damn that felt strange...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s because AI needs a not a ram. I think Apple did not expect or plan for ai which shows in the fact that only the latest pro phone can have Apple intelligence. It’s because that phone has enough ram.

Now they will boost ram across the board because Apple intelligence will not run well without it.

Depending on pricing, I may actually buy a MacBook in 2025.

I’ve wanted one since the m1, but I’ve held out until 16gb was the starting amount of ram.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Or you could just get just about any other non-mac system that lets you upgrade RAM easily when you need too...

Just stop supporting Apples soldered in BS

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Bad news: literally all current CPU gen laptops use soldered RAM.

All of them. Every single one. No exceptions.

Hopefully that'll change, but as it stands right now, if you want newest gen, you cannot get replaceable RAM.

And even before current gen, the vast majority of Windows laptops were soldered too.

E: idk why you're downvoting, it's true lol.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I really don't know where you're looking because I only see that in business-class laptops and even then not all of them have soldered RAM.

And I'm already counting the ones with one expansion slot with the soldered bunch.

Of course, if you paid attention only to HP, Dell and Lenovo, then I'd see why you'd think so. But beyond those brands, you don't have that soldered nonsense everywhere. At the very least, you have things like Clevo, Framework and the like to sell you laptops without soldered ram.

I bet there are even websites that let you filter laptop models without soldered ram. Personally, I only know about Germany-based websites like that, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

You are looking at previous-gen platforms.

E.g. for Framework, you're looking at APUs like the 7840U, which is not current gen. It's two generations old. (7840U/Phoenix > 8850U/Hawk Point > AI 9 365 (awful naming btw AMD)/Strix Point).

Like I said, all current CPU gen laptops cannot use SODIMM. I really hope that changes though.

And let me be clear here, I'm not exaggerating for effect; I do not mean most of them. I do not mean the vast majority of them. I do not mean practically all of them. I literally mean all of them. 100% of them. Every single one that exists.

AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm do not currently have compatibility with SODIMM on their newest gen mobile CPUs.

I hope that changes, and I expect it eventually will, but as it stands right now, no you cannot have SODIMM modules if you are buying any laptop with the newest gen CPUs.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most things and light laptops have had soldered ram for many years now. There are exceptions, but they’re few and far between.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago

Oooo a whole 16 gigs! It can run Firefox with more than four tabs open!

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