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this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2024
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i dont think that an electric fleet is feasable by 2030. for one simple reason: wintertime. the way to go for commercial vehicles is for the time being dieselelectric. that means diesel generator, battery, and electric drive.
We already have a fully electric bus fleet in my city (Oslo, Norway).
Granted, when we had a period of extreme cold and snow last winter there was a bit of chaos. The electric buses did struggle a bit with range (though weβre talking -20 C), but the main problem was the combination of rear wheel drive and lots of snow.
do they have heating? maybe i am out of the loop, but last thing i read about electric busses was that they end up scrapped quite fast. i will read up on oslo, thanks.
Yes, theyβre modern city buses with heating and air conditioning. Most of the buses are from the Solaris Urbino Electric line, but we also have quite a few from Mercedes, BYD and MAN.
chances are that i was talking out of my behind, i will look into it, thanks for giving me doubts. what i last read was people freezing in busses, and busses being in depots for charging all the time.
you sure those bussus are fully elctric? my impression was hybrid.
Yep, fully battery electric. The silence is glorious!
i will crawl in this rabbithole, thanks!
No? San Francisco has had electric busses for decades. They go up and down hills all the time. Their only problem is they have no batteries, so once they are disconnected they stop. It happens every day.
I think something combination of a small battery and a direct connection will work great. The battery only needs to work for an hour and the bus will be able to get around just fine.
well, obviously i didnt mean those kind of busses.
Please donβt use retarded in this manner
This is 4chan, not something the poster said, 4chan is a cesspit, and this is to be expected.
Who are you talking to? The 4chan user that posted this last month on 4chan?
Electric busses not always have batteries, they're also busses that connect directly to the power source like trolies
More likely that's the insurance company's call
in defense of the bus, the battery pack in the bus is likely heat shielded and isolated to prevent fires from being a massive risk.
Yeah and it is high quality and regularly inspected but if you bring random aliexpress chinesium scooter who knows what kinda shortcuts were used to get it under 300 dollars
Aliexpress is now a beacon of quality compared to the terrible stuff available on Temu. The worst part is that people buying a spare battery for their eScooter won't do the research and will just be happy to get a "good" deal, until it explodes in their sleep...
we love a good child labor battery pack
maintained by a small child
By kids for kids^tm^
How about this: allow devices with removable batteries on board, and have a bucket outside the bus to put the batteries.
Boom, problem quarantined.
Tbf the manufacturing standards for plenty of e-scooters and -bikes can be pretty iffy sometimes, and people abuse them in ways that can increase the likelihood of issues. I concede that the vast majority of electric personal transportation devices that go up in flames usually happens during charging. A public transportation bus has to meet higher standards than a mono wheel scooter off of AliExpress.
(Imo they should be allowed on, but I can see the point in not doing so)
I'm not gonna say bike batteries explode all the time but I will say I worked at an ebike company and they had an entire department dedicated to handling exploding battery lawsuits.
Honestly, they should only allow devices with removable batteries, and they could have a bucket of sand outside the bus that holds those batteries. Kind of like how bicycles are attached to the front, you'd drop the battery in and then board the bus.
But what if the battery starts burning while the bus is moving, on the road.. Like in the middle of a desert (...wait.. but still...)?
That's what the external bucket of sand is for. It'll smoke and the driver will notice in time to safely get everyone off the bus. They could then likely just detach the bucket and reboard if everything looks fine.
mmmm sandy battery, i love when my batteries have sand in them, surely this wouldnt cause problems.
"I donβt like sand. Itβs coarse and rough and irritatingβ¦ and it gets everywhere."
~ Enerkin Ionwalker
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