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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

What, did he say something remotely tolerant?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

Dude is a spot on representation of their antichrist. Not that trump is anything other than a pathetic dipshit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

False profit for damn sure

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Having been raised in a Catholic country and a fairly conservative parish, I truly don't understand the Christian votes for Trump

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

As long time atheist and anti-theist, they love Trump because he's fulfilling a role of messiah (lowercase), an anointed one. You probably already know this, but it basically means that Trump is a king to them, that's what the anointed part is about. They're traditionalists (monarchists).

If you want to get how monarchism works in this context, try Wilhoit's Law: https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.

For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.

No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:

The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288

And the Catholics in the US are likely to get in on the action, as evidenced by the Supreme Court and the people who made that happen. There's also a bunch of drama going on between them and the Pope.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

America has two christianities. And not in the normal “Protestants and Catholics are on the verge of another 30 years war at each other” way. But regardless of denomination we have groups of Christian’s who see Christianity not as a set of beliefs and duties but as an in group and tool to persecute those they don’t like. Trump is the guy who tells them that the reason things are bad is those dirty non Christians (which many American Protestants include Catholics in for some gods forsaken reason). He offers them power in exchange for looking the other way from his sins

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The scary thing is that he didn’t invent that concept. It has been raging since before the Satanic Panic. He just gave those people a platform.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Yup. This goes back to the Southern strategy which was brought to the fore by the Nixon campaign (although it was in play since before then). From that era we also get this chilling warning from Barry Goldwater:

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don’t want to say it’s an inevitable result of the bizarre fusion of Calvinism and Baptists that permeates American Protestant culture, but it certainly feels like that fusion has a strong lean in this direction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

There have been a lot of good books in the last few years about how Christian came to be so culturally interchangable with Republican. One I read and got a lot out of was "Jesus & John Wayne", and the author does a good job tracking the rightward shift from a lot of different organizations and how they were able to permeate through multiple denominations. Just sharing in case anyone wants to go look at some of these connections themselves.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There was an article a while a go where someone looked into how the bible describes the anti-christ and while they initially did it just for fun, it became a bit more eerie, when Trump started hitting checkbox after checkbox after checkbox, leaving out pretty much none of them…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's almost as if vague ramblings of a first century commoner (who was likely tripping balls) could be applied to any and every megalomaniacal tyrant we've ever had.

It was originally written about Nero.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

IIRC the funny thing was actually that no, this wasn’t just generic enough to cover every megalomaniacal tyrant but was in some places actually oddly specific.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

Servant: What's your zodiac?

Future Tyrant: giant meteor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Something about the "7 hills with the antichrist's name" oddly aligned with the 7 current buildings around the world with his name in big bold letters

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

On the one hand I really don't want their support or misguided views and priorities distracting or pushing Harris off course.

On the other hand fracturing a significant slice of the conservative base into not voting or voting against Trump would be delicious, especially if it meant more congressional and state seats to go blue because of it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Ooh, can't wait for MAGA for Harris 🤭

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Biblically, there isn’t an antichrist. It’s not a proper noun, there’s not just one. Most Americans’ understanding of eschatology comes straight from Left Behind (and further back, Scofield), which has little connection to the actual text. (The number of Christians who refer to RevelationS, when the tittle of the text has no “s”….)

And I’d say Trump is definitely “anti-Christ.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

1 John 2:18 uses it both as a proper noun and as a generic noun, and nowadays "Antichrist" is more a colloquial name for the first beast of Revelation 13 even if that's not directly what the text clearly calls him.

Regardless, I agree Trump is very anti-Christ. Hard to read 1 John 4 and not see almost the opposite of him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

As someone who was traumatized by reading the entire Left Behind series at roughly 8, it’s very upsetting to see how happy the evangelical Christian’s that have spent the last attacking LGBT people based on faith have fallen behind a serial philanderer who has very likely raped children. They threat him like a golden calf.

Then again, I don’t know how one could read things like “when I was hungry you fed me” and vote against free school lunches or cutting EBT. I don’t believe in the divinity of Christ or any supernatural powers, but I don’t see how they don’t understand that they are acting like the “chaff.”

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

My evangelical family members seem to be as enthusiastic about Trump as ever. What has changed over the past weeks is that they are no longer sure he's going to win.

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