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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Give people power, and they will seek transgression as proof of that power. What's the point of being supreme earthly authority over people if you have to just sit there and follow the rules? Rules are for little people, are you calling me a little person? Watch me prove my status by committing abominations and not getting punished!

This is especially the case when you load up the stakes with anxieties and resentments and jockeying for power with others and cognitive dissonance and all that jazz. Now they don't just want to prove their made-man status, they need to. And that's not even including malignant narcissism in the mix.

And the thing is, there's a whole category of people who are legitimately impressed by this, who see rule-following as a hallmark of losers, and rule-flouting as a hallmark of winners.

See also: trump voters, cart narcs, anti-maskers, karens etc etc.

The priesthood is an absolute magnet for these kinds of people - and also a magnet for people struggling with shame, hoping to overcome it by being all holy-like, for instance, existing pedophiles.

And on top of that, corrupt power structures like this very often have a culture of mutually-assured destruction: people end up required to do something horribly incriminating themselves so they can't blow the whistle on others - and once they start down that road, the justifications start piling up. See also David Cameron and the pig, and police in general.

Layer on a teaching that the reputation of the organisation must be protected even at the cost of people's own children, and yeah, perfect storm.

No way in hell has this only been happening for the last few decades; it's only in that timeframe that the church's power has diminished enough for word to get out.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Erasmus put this in his 1514 dialogue "Julius Excluded From Heaven" (Julius II is being examined by St Peter at the gates):

PETER: [...] hope it won't be too tiresome for you to answer a few clumsy questions about the details. Who, for example, are these little curly-headed striplings?

JULIUS: I brought them up for my diversion.

https://www.tamaqua.k12.pa.us/cms/lib/PA01000119/Centricity/Domain/119/Julius%20Excluded%20From%20Heaven%20bY%20Erasmus.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Excluded_from_Heaven

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ask here to get bandwagon responses and memes. If you really want an actual answer, go look up the Wikipedia article on the topic at the very least.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Kind of given considering the nature of the job. I heard a radio show where they talked about this with someone in the church who explained that the church offers forgiveness for sins to people who are willing to commit to God. I don't think to many pedophiles want to be attracted to kids and see themselves as evil. It's around the same age that the priesthood is calling that young guys start to realize these attractions. The church is a place for these people to go celabete and purge themselves of their evil but reality is the church can't do that. Instead their ranks fill with these pedophiles same as it gets filled with our types of people who see themselves as sinners; ex drug users and wall street bankers. The whole radio show made me feel like the church could be a victim in all this as well. But then they fuck up by hiding these people and shuffling them around instead of bringing them to justice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well you have nearly the complete story. Church is about control: if you help someone hide his crimes, they have acess to repeated rape and you have control over them because you can always expose them. It might even build loyalty. Case and point marriage and celebacy: probably the only thing threatening the churches control-by-faith is the drive to protect your spouse and children. So they are not allowed to have them. Bonus round: why is there a concept of "sin" and "confession"? Because this helps the church know all the dirty secrets of powerful people and their loved ones. The rest is history (blackmail).

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Thousand plus years.

I don't know exactly when sneaky catholic scribes changed up the wording to make being gay bad except when they're being gay with children. But it's definitely their doing.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We found out about it because those people are still alive. The Catholic church has been at this for centuries

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Well, priests aren't supposed to get married or have kids. I guess they found a loophole to "still get into heaven", or something. Who knows. It's all fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hundreds and hundreds of years.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Appropriate username

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