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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

God fucking damnit fuck this fucking timeline I'm so sick of fucking war and reading about this stressful shit and having to decipher political bullshit and who has and doesn't have bombs and who is telling the truth and who is being manipulative

Can we all just not?? Fuck

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“Exclusive” then why is every major news outlet reporting it? Shut up CNN, a fox in donkey clothing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

So far all the other outlets i have seen reported that CNN reported on it. So the interesting bit apparently only is with CNN.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

IAEA Director General's Introductory Statement to the Board of Governors

…we must return to the negotiating table and for that allow IAEA inspectors… to go back to Iran’s nuclear sites and account for the stockpiles of uranium, including, most importantly, the 400kg enriched to 60%.

The Board should be aware of a letter sent to me by Foreign Minister Dr Abbas Araghchi on 13 June in which he mentions that Iran will “adopt special measures to protect our nuclear equipment and materials”.

So we went from Iran almost 100% cooperating with the JCPOA, to Trump throwing out the deal, permitting an Israeli first strike, to enriched material loose inside of a nation we just attacked…

I don’t ever, fucking ever, want to hear a Republican talking about any degree of Democrat foreign policy failures. Jfc, how does he bungle the crisis - the crisis he created - so completely?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

Bombing Iran is bipartisan, dems aren't pushing back in the slightest, it would have happened regardless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

yeah no fucking shit

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The US military has said the operation went as planned and that it was an “overwhelming success.”

Just to be clear, that can be true and the mission failed to do more than set Iran back a few months. They can have destroyed the targets they were told to destroy (success), but the targets may have been wrong or incomplete. Or, as the article suggests, the bombs landed where they were supposed to, but didn't penetrate underground enough to do the damage desired.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

the mission failed to do more than set Iran back a few months

Iran. Doesn't. Have. A. Nuclear. Weapons. Program.

They have repeatedly presented evidence to this effect to multiple watchdog groups. They have had over 30 years to build a bomb and have declined to do so. The idea that this "set Iran back" is predicated on the theory that they were ever engaged in a project to build a weapon like this.

The dirty truth of the matter is that Israel does not want Iran to access clean, cheap, highly efficient nuclear power for purely economic reasons. They don't want an Iranian industrial revolution that might put the country on par with Germany or Japan or Brazil or China. Keeping the Iranians trapped in the 1930s, technologically, is a part of a broader effort to strangle the Middle East (and Africa and the South Pacific states) and keep them yoked to the post-industrial Western economy as a source of cheap materials and cheap labor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What? Iran already has a nuclear power plant with a 2nd one beginning construction in 2019 and a 3rd one planned. And the International Atomic Energy Agency had reported that Iran was not complying with their inspectors on numerous occasions: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

So wtf are you talking about?

I'm not saying they have/had nukes, but your story is just completely made up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

You know there is a difference between a bomb and a power plant, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So wtf are you talking about?

Nuclear power is very different from nuclear weapons.

And the International Atomic Energy Agency had reported that Iran was not complying with their inspectors on numerous occasions

This was the same manufactured story that the US used to invade Iraq. Cherry picking disputes between the IAEA and the Iranian energy ministry to justify a massacre of civilian scientists and civilians caught in the crossfire? Why are Americans so ready to throw away the lives of every other global citizen?

your story is just completely made up

The crusade by Netanyahu to provoke an invasion and massacre of Iranians is exhaustively well-documented. The US-lead effort to sanction Iran and cripple its economy, following the '79 revolution is exhaustively well-documented. From the Project For The New American Century, championed by Neocon wunderkind Bill Kristol to the Project 2025 authored by JD Vance, the goal of crippling Iran's economy and fomenting revolution domestically as a prelude to invasion has been laid out in excruciating detail.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not arguing Israel's or the US's intent to destroy the Iranian government (and, for the record, the Iranian government is definitely shitty, even a notable portion of their population loathes it as well). That Israel--and the current US administration--has been wanting to attack Iran for any reason, even if the reason is dubious, is not in question.

What I'm arguing is that you said this was all to prevent Iran to have nuclear energy, which is untrue since Iran already has that. And it is also undeniable that Iran has not been complying with the IAEA's inspectors since 2019. Why would the IAEA report that Iran is enriching uranium beyond what is needed for energy? Why is Iran not complying with their inspectors?

Those are questions worth asking and seeking the answers to. I do not agree they should be outright attacked over such things, but to pretend like Iran is completely innocent is ridiculous. It's unfortunate that genocidal war criminals are running Israel and a corrupt group of fascists is running the US at the moment, but it is unsurprising that they are not seeking to resolve these issues peacefully.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Iran was complying with the JCPOA before Trump killed it in his first term simply because Obama did it. And even then, they continued to comply with these limits and the IAEA inspections up until, at least, early 2019.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

What I’m arguing is that you said this was all to prevent Iran to have nuclear energy, which is untrue since Iran already has that.

They have a single nuclear plant that had been under construction since 1975 and was held up repeatedly by foreign intervention, including the 2009 sabotage effort by the Obama administration's CIA - which, incidentally, gave the rest of the world exposure to the Stuxnet virus as collateral. Then there has been the persistent effort by US and Israeli intelligence services to kidnap and assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists, also going back decades. Not even including the assassination efforts since 2021, we've seen attacks in 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011 all linked back to western aligned governments.

"Iran has a single nuclear power plant so what are you complaining about?" is deliberately naive and obtuse, particularly when peer nations like Germany and France have enjoyed the benefits of between six and fifty-six plants going back over 40 years. Hell, the UAE has four active plants and over 5x Iran's total energy capacity for a population 1/10th the size, without provoking the kind of intervention and assault the Iranians have endured.

The latest bombing of uranium enrichment facilities - hell, the fact that they need to bury their refinement facilities at the bottom of a mountain to begin with - illustrate the undo costs and constant threats Iranians need to endure in order to modernize their electric grids.

I do not agree they should be outright attacked over such things, but to pretend like Iran is completely innocent is ridiculous.

Innocent of what? Implementing energy modernization strategies that have been in the works since prior to the revolution?

What are you even accusing them of? Not adhering to an arms control agreement the US pulled out of as an excuse to attack them? It's insane to even talk about the Iranian nuclear program absent the malicious history of foreign intervention.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Again, you're ignoring that the IAEA's entire purpose is non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Why deny compliance to third-party inspectors? If their endeavors were truly so innocent, then they had no reason to be uncooperative.

Sorry, I will not feel pity towards the Iranian government. I sympathize for their people, but their government can shove off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They were complying with the JCPOA, according to the IAEA, up until at least early 2019, despite Trump killing the agreement years prior.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I pointed that out in an earlier response.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the IAEA’s entire purpose is non-proliferation of nuclear weapons

Oh? How many inspections have they made in Israel?

Sorry, I will not feel pity towards the Iranian government.

Of course not. Your brain is poisoned by hate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh I'm sorry, the Iranian government hasn't violently put down any female civil rights movements there?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Is that why we bombed them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I think trump would immediately throw a company under the bus for their "weak loser bombs" if they didn't perform as designed.
I think trump would immediately "you're fired" a general for spec-ing the wrong bombs.

I think the intel was wrong

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No he wouldn't. Pretending it was successful is 100% within his M.O.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the intel was wrong

The intel said that Iran was not developing nuclear weapons. The strikes happened because Trump decided to ignore the intel in favor of the random imaginings in his head, and no doubt Netanyahu encouraged him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think we agree.
The intel trump used to order the strikes was wrong... The intel was wrong.
Presuming the buck stops with the president of course.

I doubt he actually cared enough about any briefing material. He probably went in with the mentality of "Iran is developing nukes, and should be stopped" then asked for intel according to that presumption.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

classified as ‘top secret’

leaked ... by an anonymous, low-level loser

C'mon media. Ask the obvious follow up question. C'mon!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why make it top secret in the first place? Iran probably knows best the condition of their stuff, who else do you want to hide it from?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's the obvious question?

Was it Hegseth?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How does a low-level loser have access to top secrets?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Nah gotta make the question more pointed: why is your administration, in your own words, giving access to top secret Intel to low-level losers?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Reports out of Tehran, military commanders could not stop laughing for long enough to mount a serious retaliation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, so that's why the response from Iran was so meager: quid pro quo.

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