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Congressional staff say the mood inside the Capitol is tense, stifling and bewildering as members brush off their constituents’ outrage.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

On the one hand, congressmen know that if they don't back Israel unconditionally, they will be accused of being antisemitic, in league with Nazis.

On the other hand, Israel routinely violates human rights, it conducts an apartheid regime in the West Bank, it sponsors settlers whose actions clearly violate international law, and its conduct in Gaza looks more like genocide than it doesn't. And it does all of that with US backing, despite US law forbidding the US from giving military aid to countries that ...violate human rights.

So, if you recognize any of that, you're a Nazi?

It's so frustrating to know that our elected leaders are made to not recognize actual human rights violations, for fear of being accused of antisemitism even though Israel's government is not the same thing as the Jewish people.

My social media is full of Jews pointing out that Israel's actions goes against their faith, that they experience pain and shame knowing that Israel claims to do them in the name of Judaism.

Just once I wish American congresspeople had it in them to exhibit anything like moral courage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't Biden already call for a cease-fire not long ago? The best he could do is pulling funding at this stage, putting boots on the ground would be an attack on the spiritual holy land of a variety of religious fanatics and against Zionist beliefs that gentiles should know their place, unless of course Ben himself called on Biden for some imaginary reason 🤔

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

No. He called for a pause, and that's what we got. Now there's a short pause every day while they reload.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Congressional staff say the mood inside the Capitol is tense, stifling and bewildering as members brush off their constituents’ outrage.

Why would this be any different than every other issue about which they're ignoring their constituents?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Politicians have armies of statistics and pollsters to study people's opinions and feedback.

They carefully choose a demographic groups they choose to appeal to, and they pick issues that will allow them to capture enough people who will begrudgingly support them as possible.

They don't need the 1500th phone call saying the exact same thing as the last 1400 to understand who they're representing and what their opinions are.

There are times contacting your representative in this way is important. When your road is fucked up or your local company is doing something they shouldn't and nobody in the media or on the internet is talking about it.

Or sending a letter, answering a poll, so that their data people can sit and count them to figure out what they need to do in the next election cycle.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are times contacting your representative in this way is important. When your road is fucked up or your local company is doing something they shouldn’t and nobody in the media or on the internet is talking about it.

But not literal genocide?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The representative is very well aware of what's going on in Israel and is very aware of the protests and the opinions people have about it. You're not informing them, and you're not actually contributing anything by spamming them with phone calls about it.

And if you want to see literal genocide, let the Palestinians rule "from the river to the sea". What they do to the Jews will make isis look like children in terms of their cruelty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

let the Palestinians rule “from the river to the sea”.

Palestinian /= Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

let the Palestinians rule “from the river to the sea”.

Palestinian /= Hamas.

Unfortunately that sentiment is not unique to Hamas.
According to polling, the majority of Palestinians want to:

  • Destroy Israel, which is what, "from the river to the sea," means (70%)
  • Deny Jews equal rights in their one-state solution (76%)
  • Continue violent resistance, reject peaceful solutions (52%)
  • Employ guerilla/terrorist strategies to do so (58%)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So that justifies genocide? Because just over half have been terrorized enough to not be willing to forgive?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So that justifies genocide? Because just over half have been terrorized enough to not be willing to forgive?

Well, advocating for actual explicit genocide and oppression certainly makes one's cause seem less noble. I was pointing out that Hamas aren't the only ones who want Palestine, "from the river to the sea." It's a popular Palestinian sentiment. Perhaps that's related to why calls for cease fire are going to voice mail.

One can make a case that Israel is also performing a genocide, but they themselves deny that it is. I think it's more accurate to say that Israel is under attack by and defending itself from a belligerent monoethnic nation. It's a big stretch to claim that this makes defense against it genocide. If wiping out Arabs were their motivation and not pacifying a belligerent nation they would be behaving very differently. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab with full rights, after all.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

One can make a case that Israel is also performing a genocide, but they themselves deny that it is.

Actually some member of government are starting to admit that it is a genocide. Wonder what your next excuse will be?