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The UK’s ruling Labour Party allegedly ordered its MPs not to attend anti-racist demonstrations on Wednesday.

According to journalist Owen Jones, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell made the order “via a virtual call” on Wednesday morning.

Jones is a former member of the party and was part of its left-wing faction before quitting because of Labour's centrist turn under Keir Starmer.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It was literally just because they didn't want their MPs to get involved in a situation that might've turned violent. Can you imagine if any organisation had said, 'Yes, we want to oblige our staff to go and maybe get their heads kicked in by Nazis'?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Liberals always have a magical excuse to not do the right thing, I'm sure this was all about "safety concerns for their staff".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Given even the Daily Mail was celebrating the Wednesday anti-racist protests as a proof of unity against thugs, this feels like paranoia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Subtle bit of framing there: "centrist turn". Not: " rightward turn". The author places the frame of reference in the center of politics rather than in the heart of the Labour party.

When you consider the rightward ratchet of Overton Window I'd argue the latter framing is more illuminating.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even though being anti-fascist is an obvious virtue, I presume it's to avoid the appearance of prosecuting the rioters for political reasons. Starmer wants to make it purely about the lawbreaking rather than their political aims.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Politicians not making things political is rather ridiculous.

Same politicians that show up to march in pro-israel marches. Liberals will find any excuse to not do the right thing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's more that it's a tactical choice to avoid polarising people. There's nothing material to gain by attending the protests, and much to lose in terms of pissing off the far right more and destabilising a precarious situation.

The shit-stirrers like Farage would immediately whip up some bullshit that Labour MPs attending anti-fascist protests is "proof" that the government are choosing to politically punish the far right protesters. The last thing Starmer wants is a resurgence of disorder.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nothing to gain by showing solidarity against racism?

Appearing racist to appeal to Farage voters isn't going to fix anthing nor win over any right wing voters. Appealing to right wingers never works they will never vote center when they can vote right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

No, they clearly aren't trying to appear racist, or even directly court their votes. They just don't want to actively feed into the idiotic theories that stoke tensions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

because starmer supports fascists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What planet are you on, exactly?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Keir Starmer the israeli plant who overthrew Jeremy Corbyn. Don't agree with the initial commenter often but this time it's facts. Keir Starmer is a Fascist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Any evidence that he's an Israeli plant?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He blocks the weapons embargo on israel. He ousted Jeremy Corbyn with the most classic excuse used by Zionists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Jeremy Corbyn is far too extreme for main line politics. Labour were never going to win power with him as leader. Plus he's stance on Brexit was selfish and absolutely unhelpful.

I can see you support him but he really wasn't good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Plus he's stance on Brexit was selfish and absolutely unhelpful.

The truth they hate to hear.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Except Corbyn was already growing to a position where he would be able to gain power.

Starmer can't coup a left wing party while it has massive momentum and subsequently claim the centrist neoliberal Zionist fest is popular.

Corbyn even won his own district without the branding Starmer stole from him.

The UK is facing massive problems with housing, and a neoliberal who is in the pocket of all lobbies including the landlords is going to do absolutely nothing to fix it

Starmer is aa "human rights lawyer" who prevents an arms embargo on a Genocide. You can't make this up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Except Corbyn was already growing to a position where he would be able to gain power.

The rest of your comment I'll ignore in the basis that it's meaningless. But this first line, wow, you can just say things that are clearly not true and think that doing so is a counterpoint.

Look i can do it. "Dragons do exist and my evidence for that is that I say so. Ha, got you!" See it doesn't work. You have to argue your case in this plain of reality and not in whatever elsewhere space you come from.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Were you hibernating in December 2019?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I don't think that proves he's an Israeli plant?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Conspiracy theories. The standard refrain of a Corbynista.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Zionist propaganda the standard retort of a SStarmer

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No one even mentioned Zionism or Israel...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They asked for an explanation of Starmer being a fascist.

Instating a literal coup of the UK to prevent Jeremy Corbyn from s acting against israel seems pretty fascist to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh man, I haven't heard that one before. Bona fide quality conspiracy theory 👍

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Everything is a conspiracy theory. Aipac ruling over American politics is totally made up as well they're just some friendly folks who donate millions of dollars to polticians who just so happen to support israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Your obsession with Israel is making you look mental.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Well it would hypocritical of them to do so when they openly support Israeli racism against the Palestinians