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Trump Is ‘Weird,’ Vance Is ‘Creepy.’ Finally, the Democrats Start Name-Calling (www.nytimes.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Snowflakes. Groomers. Cucks.

For years the MAGA movement has approached politics the way a bully would approach a schoolyard, sparring with labels so nasty, they seemed expressly chosen to appeal to the kind of people who stuffed nerds in lockers in sixth grade. And for years Democrats, abiding by the mantra to go high, not low, have responded by trying to be the adults in the room: defending themselves with facts, with context, with earnest explanations that nobody remembers (if they defend themselves at all).

The problem is that taking the high road only works if politics is a sport played mainly by people who act like grown-ups, which it is not. And also: Facts and context don’t make for particularly sticky messaging.

Enter: Weird.

Over the past two weeks, as “Brat” and coconut memes have taken over the internet and Kamala Harris inches closer to Donald Trump in the polls, the Democrats have finally gone low, deploying a bit of verbal jujitsu so delightfully petty it might just work.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Name calling like that should work well with the youth vote. Smart. Politics is just a shit throwing contest. The other side will probably follow suit with terms that fit the demonized adjectives popular among the demographics of their base.

Contrary to the prevailing view that youth are rebellious, they always obey the patriarchy behind the scenes, the merchants of "the cool" dictating the popular image to them. Pretty hard to get milage out of calling a non-white woman creepy or weird. On the other hand, it is kind of a reflexive acceptance when those negative predicates are applied to any male over 20. Agreed. I think dicks of any age are weird and gross myself.

But will their POLICIES improve our lives?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

People say a lot of really mean things to people. Sometimes it is primal and cuts to the core. But then they return with a how dare or act like the enmity is only one way. Strange. There should be more rational dialogue and less personal invective. I wonder why people like to focus on the ad hominem because I find the actual game plans (analysis and practice) more interesting. Why did we all get so caught up in identity? Rather than hiding behind identity, we should lead by revealing with positive action.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Seeing that thumbnail for the first time had me thinking "Who's the B movie token Russian guy?"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Democrats have become so right wing they're finally allowed to do name calling.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it's less about insulting them, and more a out no longer treating them with the utmost respect. We (and by we I don't just mean lefties) should have called them weird when they called themselves the the tea party, but we handled absolutely insane rhetoric by trying to meet it from a place of thoughtful and respectful academic discussion. It was always the wrong strategy.

That said it could very easily backfire. Going to far would look really childish. I think weird really hits home with how most reasonable people feel about these guys.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Agreed. There are certain positions so out there that they do not deserve any kind of respectful discourse. Republicans have been far past that since Bush II. I don't see a path to getting back there while they're still one of the two major parties. They need to either die off, or we fix the systemic issues that prevent third parties from being viable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

fuck us politics.

Non of them ever adress the actual issues.

The declining middle class.

That you are just an industrial war machine that has to constantly be in war.

That you are ruled by wall street.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

like they will ever let him run. He is anti Israel, guess which lobby doesn't like him ?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The primary difference being that the Dems are backing up the name calling with actual policies or things they've done.

Trump is weird bc he constantly says off the wall things, does weird shit, and supports unpopular policies (which are weird).

Vance is creepy because he believes and says super weird shit about women. Like how he believes women have to have kids to have value - that is creepy. If somebody said that on a date, there would not be another date. And how he nevertheless has no problem with childless couches - pretty hypocritical and creepy.

And from the repub side:

Schumer is a "member of Hamas" because.... it is inflamatory

Kamala is "laughing kamala" because.... she laughs sometimes. She is also a "radical democrat socialist" because.... she supports mainstream, popular, dem policies

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Like how he believes women have to have kids to have value - that is creepy. If somebody said that on a date, there would not be another date.

"Look, what I am saying that I'm looking for a women who knows that their sole purpose is to make babies for me. I am willing to entertain myself with the couch.......Oh, you have to the washroom."

Four hours later

"Psh, women and their bathroom habits."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Besides, I've heard that Trump smells kinda yucky.

(If this is more effective to steer away the followers than guilt on 34 points, rape and hush money, then let's roll with it.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Supposedly has for decades, this is not an age issue

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

looks like what a faint, unclean clogged garbage disposal would smell like.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bout damn time we give up this "We go high" bullshit

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is much, much "higher" than the right.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

We'd have to have Joe Biden drop the Hard-R on Mark Robinson to reach anywhere near the lows of the Right

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My only issue with using weird to refer to them is how much I love Weird Al Yankovic...

Fuck it tho.. if weird works to get under the skin of fascistsI don't think it'll hurt AL in the slightest.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

There's good weird and bad weird.

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