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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Cars have been computers on wheels for at least 15 years now.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If only. They are more like rolling SmartTVs. Once they stop getting updates, only the offline features will work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Please tell me someone thought about a switch to take them offline.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Then whatever is fucked in the electronics will be fucked forever.

Just like it has been for the last 20 years or so.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this should be part of car safety and legislated by the govt, no?

in the uk it would be part of the MOT to see that your software is up to date and working

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Just like they legislate vehicle size, headlight brightness, and enforce fuel economy standards?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Now car do get dlx, subscription.

And when you sell a car, all dlc are lost.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

.......linux cars? Pretty please?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Vehicle control systems are overwhelmingly programmed in C, mostly from graphical design tools such as MATLAB Simulink via an automatic process. These are real time control systems which are quite different to an interrupt based operating system such as Linux. The many individual controllers must work in concert according to a strict architecture definition and timing schedule that defines the functionality of the vehicle. It's not at all like a PC or phone, whose OS become irrelevant over time, with respect to their environment of other systems. The vehicle environment is the same environment that we inhabit i.e. the one with gravity, friction, charge and the other SI units. This is slowly changing with advent of self driving but, yeah.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

This is correct. If using an OS, an RTOS like the Linux Foundation Zephyr OS is the right choice here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These are real time control systems which are quite different to an interrupt based operating system such as Linux.

You do know you can operate the linux kernel in real time, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It's not a hard real time OS though. Real Time Linux would be appropriate for some subsystems in a car, but not for things that are safety critical with hard timing constraints, e.g. ABS controllers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah but the infotainment system can be Linux based.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

fine, fine, I learned 3/4 new things there, thanks for taking the time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

They no roll?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Late stage capitalism

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