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Imagine apartments built into what used to be department stores, (Oh, you're JC Penny 203? I'm at Sears 106). Get those old arcades up and running. Set up meal stations at the food court. Once people actually live there, stores will start to move back in.

If I'm unable to finish my life in my own home, that doesn't sound like a terrible option.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully Tiffany will tour them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I dunno, man, she wouldn't have much of a crowd to perform to since malls these days are pretty much dead. I'm at a local mall right now (getting a kiosk phone case), but there doesn't seem to be anyone around.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Can't have residential buildings in an area zoned for commercial use.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

do rezonings not happen?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just right click on the area and rezone it!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

We got time to make it work.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not even renovated, just set me up in a hot topic.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Have you been in a Spencer's recently? Remember the skeezy area in the back? That's now the whole thing.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (6 children)

counterargument; malls, arcades, and bookstores should come back in style because they were amazing and we don't know what we missed until it's gone.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (34 children)

They will come back as the US shifts away from car centered culture, malls thrive in Europe

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In some places they're already doing it to revitalize the majority of the mall, convert a section and suddenly you've got people around 24/7 that want services.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're trying that around here and failing spectacularly. The recent fascination for new construction in my area seems to be try this "Main Street, USA" shit where they build brutalist flat-roof apartment blocks but with the ground level being retail stores. The rationale seems to be to attempt to build some kind of enclave where people can live, work, and shop without ever having to leave. The only glaring caveats are that the only retail businesses that ever appear here are all shitty franchised fast-casual restaurants where nobody wants to go, with the gaps filled in by the usual parade of payday loan places, cash for gold, crossfit joints that attract no members, and a revolving door of nail salons and wannabe hipster barber shops opening and going out of business.

Notably, none of the retail joints at street level pay enough for anyone working there to afford the astronomical rent for one of the apartments in the same fucking building. These motherfuckers can't even set up a company town correctly...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking about taking an existing mall and converting part of it, not new constructions

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I know that, but for all the reasons being discussed in detail elsewhere in this thread nobody is actually doing that. What is happening in reality is what I described, and it's bonkers.

The only malls or retail or industrial buildings I have ever actually seen "revitalized" into housing was done by tearing them down entirely and building new buildings on the land. Around me, at least, what's being built is what I described in my previous comment.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

It'll be just like "Dawn of the Dead"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

As a millennial I can tell you that most millennials I know wouldn't want this but instead make it a place for none corporation and community events and such. A public place where your not forced to buy things where can just exist with others even if you have zero money and accessible to all genders and disabilities and races.

And yes retrofit part of it for people who need to get back on there feet, and homeless people.

If we could retrofit them into homeless shelters we could but it would require rebuilding mostly everything as malls are designed for stores not housing people (for instance the bathrooms are not private and not easily accessible if you live somewhere in it)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Yesss, give us community spaces that are not designed around maximizing profits.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I know it's hard to imagine since you've pretty much got to pay to exist anywhere today, but malls were a place to just exist. I spent hours and hours wandering around the mall in the eighties without any money.

Expanding on the thought, it was perfectly ok to be, get this, a TEENAGER existing without any money in a mall!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I have no respect for people with no shopping agenda

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

malls were a place to just exist

Not really. Malls existed because enough of the people who went there were spending enough money to make them profitable.

Yes it was permissible to go to a mall and not spend any money, and a lot of people did just that, but that doesn't mean malls did not require most people to be spending money.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Elsewhere, someone suggested that it would be necessary to take the rebuild down to the dirt to handle plumbing and the like for individual units, but I'm not sure I agree.

Generally there is significant excess ceiling height in these commercial spaces, no reason the floor couldn't be raised throughout the space to accommodate plumbing and the like in a way that's easily accessible for future maintenance. You still end up with 8' ceilings (or probably rather more) throughout.

Over the years, I've watched a number of retail chains and malls die, sometimes suddenly and sometimes slowly. It's continuously seemed like a huge waste to me, when conversion to residential space would be relatively easy, relatively affordable, could be funded by local gov or nonprofit, and would make a significant difference in net housing costs in a given area.

When 'traditional' residential developers are competing with that, and with the ability to slap down standard-sized (AKA easy) risers/walls/etc. within commercial spaces of defined sizes, a further reduction in local housing costs is likely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Adding a load bearing floor sounds pricey. I'd go for industrial and have the pipes exposed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Load bearing as in, structural? Isn't that the existing floor? Something built over the top wouldn't be load-bearing unless you're talking about any walls that would go up as well. It certainly wouldn't be holding up the ceiling or anything higher.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ahh, good point. Meant more it can handle furniture, people, etc. Doesn't that mean the walls are fixed though?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

If you've got an open area like a department store, that's a lot of square footage that can be divided out. Walls can be built too, not uncommon at all in commercial construction I'm sure. And there are raised floor setups in data centers to make it easy to run cabling and stuff. If they can handle giant server racks, I'm sure a couch would be easy peasy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

In a city in my country there was an old mall that was slowly taken over by bands who used the spaces as rehearsal rooms. It gained a huge following including some local big bands and concerts. They all paid rent too. Unfortunately, early this year, they were evicted by the owner and City Hall, out of nowhere and are on its way to become airbnb's for tourists...

Nothing new...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

Knock these things down and plant trees and stuff.

While we're at it knock all the corporate 9to5 office work buildings where all the employees can work from home and plant trees and stuff there too.

Trees and ponds and natural parks and shit, hiking trails...etc.

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