He's about four years late
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Forty years late actually, if he's going off of "cult of personality".
More like twenty.
I've said this for a while. General conservatism will likely make its way into the Democrats, and the GOP will likely align to populism - like many right-leaning parties have done worldwide.
What many have found is that when the right fails to gather support, they rapidly fall apart because all sides smell blood. The far-right have failed, so conservatives have a route towards taking control while the right claw back power where they can. It's an epic battle where they tear each other apart, because their dear leader is gone and the cult of personality either needs another personality (near impossible, they rarely leave an heir) or a seismic shift that'll take years.
I think it's a reasonable hypothesis, but I disagree it'll happen because conservatism in whatever form "centrists" promote it has been proven over and over again in stark terms, just in the last 10 years, to be a huge disgusting lie.
If one can actually derive a single ideal or principle out of the flaming wreckage of the shit transport that is the Trumpublican party it has been thoroughly disavowed by everyone else.
Fiscal conservatives will still make a stand because they have the dark magic of math on their side, but Social conservatives are right fucking out. And fiscal conservatives still have to account for tax breaks for billionaires and the ridiculous utter failure of "trickle down" which is a 40 year old con - ain't nobody got time for that.
Theyve been dead for over a decade
His substack was posted before Biden resigned, so the jabs at "resigned to lose" democrats seem outdated now, especially with record grassroots fundraising on day 1 for Harris.
Maybe this helped motivate Joe stepping back in some way though, so maybe it was a good thing to say after all.
The year is 1964. Republicans lose in a historic landslide. Democrats are poised to take full control of the Supreme Court and further entrench their congressional majorities. Pundits predict the end of the GOP and the dawn of a Great Society.
The year is 1976. Republicans are infested with Nixon-era scandal and Democrats are poised to pick up the pieces. Is there any path forward for a broken and humiliated GOP?
The year is 1992. Republicans fumble the Presidency, reversing a near unbroken string of White House victories going back a quarter century. News media questions whether the party can recover from a near endless string of scandals and a soured voter base.
The year is 2008. Republicans are routed from the House and Senate in a historic win for liberal Democrats. The Senatorial supermajority could pave the way for a Green New Deal and a permanent Democrat majority. Is the Republican Party doomed to become a regional rump?
The year is 2020. Turnout for a Presidential election hits a generational peak as Republicans are forced into retirement in droves. With Trump-mania still gripping the party and demographics forcing white nationalists into smaller, more regional minorities, will this spell the end of the Republican Party?
The year is 1964. "Tricky" Dick Nixon sets his sights on crime and undermining voting rights.
The year is 1992. Ross "Can I Finish" Perot spoils the soup for republicans who vow to never allow a third party conservative voice again.
The year is 2008. republiqans once again face the prosepect of themselves not having any fucking money - just like the goddamned Democrat poors. Better to let the Dems figure it out while we ensure the previous administration isn't literally arrested for crimes against humanity.
The year is 2020. Batshit insanity has enveloped the republiQan party like an orange cloud of airborne virus. The cult is complete, resistance is futile. Non-compliant republicans will be exiled. Plans to stage a coup are already well underway.
I mean, yeah, cretinous evil is tenacious.
Remember the old GOP that hes grieving is the exact same fucking thing as it is under trump, the only difference was the old GOP knew to hide its evil with flowery and coded language.
Trump is the Tea Party candidate. They took over the GOP since 2009: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
Tea Party was nothing but a group of republicans that wanted to drop the facade earlier than the rest thought they should.
still the same ol GOP
Yes and no. The old GOP would concede an election, and that, it turns out, is a pretty fucking huge deal.
I mean, they stole an election in 2000 and we just let that happen with no consequences. Nixon tried to cheat and was caught, and we let that happen with no consequences. They haven't liked democracy for a while now.
I wouldn’t say no consequences for Nixon. They would have impeached him if he hadn’t decided to resign. And the president pardoned him to not set a bad precedent but again had he not resigned with tact, that may not have happened.
So, what you're saying is, there definitely totally could have been consequences for realises absolutely. There weren't any, but boy howdie there could have been.
Look, I get your point, but the fact that avoiding said consequences was so trivially easy kind of massively undermines it. Most people would have a harder time getting out of a traffic ticket.
He had to resign based on public pressure, I would call that a consequence. No one in politics today really feels that kind of pressure anymore.
Again, because they hid their evil, waiting for the right time.
and the right time is now. which is why they are so die hard for trump, cause hes the excuse they needed to go loud and proud and, they think, let them finally seize the country for themselves and get rid of the pesky democracy.
Which has always been their goal.
I won’t hide the fact that I grieve the old GOP
Which one? Because every version from Reagan onwards will keep leading right back to where we are today.
hes just trying to make himself look clean so he can get endorsements and commentorships on news organizations and the like.
This all feels a bit like the revenge of the Nixon team.
That was the entire purpose of Fox News. So, yeah.
I mean, the right wing efforts worked. Trump has objectively done way worse things than Nixon while he was President, but is very likely going to be elected again.
The Republican Party hasn’t had serious policy positions since like 1980. And arguably since 1964 but we don’t talk about how it’s been a John Birch society shitshow for so long, that whole grandparents remember it turning into a conspiracy theory driven shitshow.
You're years too late my dude. They've been fucking that corpse for years.
It's the GQP now.
These guys might think they are making statements that set them apart. They joined this shit show not long ago. It's on all their heads, too. I appreciate the now, fuck you and all yours for the before.
Kinzinger has been a rep for longer than Trump has been in politics and is one of the few Republicans who has showed a spine all this time, rejecting fascism and Trumpism.
Maybe try to be a little bit more informed on the topic if you're going to comment on it.
Yet saw the party of birtherism and thought that was a good place for him. That was the before Trump times, yet still very much Trump. 2011 he joined congress, not long before Trump. All the groundwork laid out for the fascist. His voice, too little too late.
Edit: He looks to have had a 90% in-line voting record during the Trump presidency, according to 538. Doesn't look like he stood up to the guy to me. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/adam-kinzinger/
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