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Two hours ago I made a post to [email protected] about US politics. I had previously had a good relationship with the head moderator of this community. They've encouraged My political posts, and he's removed comments by people that misgendered Me, and reminded people of My pronouns, like in this thread two days ago:

https://imgur.com/RuNKgM1.png

https://imgur.com/GLT7HR0.png

However, an hour ago in this new thread, the same moderator who was telling people to respect My capitalised pronouns uses lowercase pronouns to address Me:

https://imgur.com/fmGtHvf.png

And he has left up earlier comments which also seemed to misgender Me, and which I specifically pointed out:

https://imgur.com/KZnosuC.png

Even as some users in the thread gender Me correctly:

https://imgur.com/EBuGfom.png

I'm making this thread in the main community because since the mod has banned Me, I can no longer report the comment or leave a reply correcting the pronoun. I would like to gain the attention of @[email protected]

Misgendering trans people and banning Them at the same time so They can't do anything about it is not the kind of thing I expect to see on Blahaj. This mod is clearly 100% aware of My pronouns, and made a choice here. I suppose they could be using the general "you", but it just doesn't look like that, what with banning Me, telling Me My post isn't welcome, and telling Me to go to a different community. I used to have a good rapport with this mod, they said several times that they valued My posts. I posted something he disagrees with, and now all of a sudden respecting trans people's pronouns isn't a priority anymore. He's misgendering Me and they're leaving up comments that also misgender Me. It feels targeted.

EDIT: I cannot seem to embed images. Every time I hit edit and fix the image links and press save, they change to some kind of aussie.zone image proxy link. For now I have left them as links without embedding them.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

capitalised pronouns are on a fundamental level as valid as any other gendered pronouns. fucking up can happen but not accepting OPs pronouns because they are unusual is shit

~~i'm still blocking OP tho because no gods no masters~~

honestly deities are also fundamentally ok. just dont be a cunt, but thats true for everyone.

i personally find the words god and deity a bit loaded with superiority, but thats on me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cool, thank you for the pronoun support and also I'm reporting you for saying My gender identity shouldn't exist. Your comment is simultaneously very inclusive and not at all accepting.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (6 children)

That thread was removed by a community mod and I can't find any examples of deliberate misgendering in remaining posts.

I will action deliberate misgendering, but in this case, the posts have already been removed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

The moderation actions weren't federated to aussie.zone, you can read the comments in the thread from this instance. https://aussie.zone/post/11840603

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 months ago (1 children)

After reading the community’s pinned “Rules Breakdown” post, I can easily see how Your post violated their rules. 🤷‍♀️ And as another poster in this thread points out, it appears You’re just on a time-out, not a perma-ban.

Also, I will capitalize “you” for You as an act of politeness, but I very strongly disagree with characterizing this as “misgendering”, even after reading Your “Introduction to capitalised pronouns” post. Yes, grammar is socially defined and arbitrary. For example, the only reason African-American Vernacular English is labelled “improper” is because so many (white) people with power say so — there’s nothing inherently worse or better about it. However, it’s still necessary to reach consensus on the meaning of words, else no one could be understood.

Capitalization of Your pronoun is clearly very important to You, and it would be thus be unkind of me to refuse to accommodate You when it’s pointed out, but English is not a language where every pronoun is gendered. The capitalized version is an honorific form of the same pronoun, not a different pronoun altogether. And generally speaking, the use of honorifics (“sir” and “ma’am” being the most common ones) is becoming far less common these days. Perhaps it’s because honorifics are most frequently used to establish dominance and subservience roles, whether that be in customer service roles (“yes, sir”) or governing roles (“yes, Your Honour” or “yes, Your Majesty”). To borrow Your own example, even many Christians now refer to their god as “he” rather than “He” in written language. And of course, those of us who totally reject the notion of gods certainly don’t. Your insistence on capitalization as respect for Your divinity makes me genuinely uncomfortable as someone who doesn’t believe in divinity at all and certainly shouldn’t feel subservient to You.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The mod log shows the ban was for violating rule two of the community (both for the post and user). Seems like there were others who had comments removed and were banned for 6d as well around the same time. Perhaps the mod didn't realize who You were and was banning on autopilot to clean things up in the community?

Also, FWIW, in my client (Alexandrite). and from what I can see in Your screenshots, pronouns aren't showing up next to Your username where the comment is. I'm absolutely not defending anyone transphobic, but not everyone is going to click through to the profile to see is pronouns are in the profile. I wanted to let You know about that incase that's some setting on aussie.zone or something that could be fixed and make things better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The word "capitalised" brings My display name over the character limit, so the best I can do is "They/You". I can't even change it to "They/Them/You"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do different instances have different character limits?

I did some tests on a couple of my alts and "Grail (They/Them/Caps)" fit on all of them.

Maybe try that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

They do have different limits.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I gotcha Fam for those embedded pics

In order:

I'd assume that the mod in question (being a mod) sees a ton of posts and comments from a ton of users and simply didn't check Your profile before making the comment there.

Or hell it could have been their autocorrect dropping the capital (which mine does pretty often)

But from what I can see it's also a single comment. Don't assume malice when ignorance can easily explain it.

And that mod is really quick to ban people, hell they banned me last week less than a minute after I made a comment on one of their posts simply for saying that dems and the GQP weren't the same (their post was implying that they were the same). The reason they banned me was for being a "liberal".

Personally I'd recommend a solution to help weed out transphobia vs ignorance: put Your‡ pronouns at the end of your username so that it's easy for people to know and talk to you how you'd like. This is fairly easy to do on Lemmy as flairs at the end of usernames don't really exist around these parts.

‡ I literally had to go back and manually change this to a capital Y after my autocorrect changed it.

Edit: Missed some caps.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And that mod is really quick to ban people, hell they banned me last week less than a minute after I made a comment on one of their posts simply for saying that dems and the GQP weren’t the same (their post was implying that they were the same). The reason they banned me was for being a “liberal”.

That's fucked up mod behavior.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The best part is that being a "liberal" isn't against their rules, and my comment wasn't even rude.

Definitely tempered my expectations about that community.

Story Time if you're curious

Basically it went like this:

"Huh, neat a lefty community. I wonder if this one is going to be a chill one I can hang out in."

Immediately sees a "both sides" posts

"Well that's missing some much needed context"

Makes comment and carries on

Gets ding in inbox after loading up another community

BANNED for being a "liberal"

"Well that answers that question"

The mod's behaviour is on full display in the post as well.

The comment that got me banned

And the post

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Weird, I can't see the embeds in your comment either. Maybe aussie.zone just doesn't support them. It doesn't support a very long display name either, maybe I should change instances.

I've been posting to Liberty Hub every day for around a week, and this mod has been responding to a lot of My posts. They seemed to have a firm grasp of who I was every other time they commented on one of My posts. And the post they commented on here, it was a link to My blog, so if they read it, they should know who I am, right?

Here are some of their other comments on My posts:

https://imgur.com/8cWH9WY.png - https://aussie.zone/post/11567153/10314640

https://imgur.com/s2gYmSM.png - https://aussie.zone/post/11497681/10240630

He's never not known who I was before, he's always used My preferred pronouns. If this is a coincidence, it's a bizarre one, and it's one I can't fix without making this post, because the day he suddenly misgenders Me is the day he bans Me.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't call it a bizarre coincidence at all. Typos happen literally all the time to everyone.

A single error doesn't make a trend, a pattern of errors does.

And again that mod shoots from the hip on bans. I'd say seize the opportunity to take some time off and cool off.

Getting banned from a community can really make someone salty at the moment it happens and taking the opportunity to chill is the best course of action for one's mental health.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Even if it was a mistake, maybe Blahaj shouldn't have mods who shoot from the hip and end up banning trans people they accidentally misgendered. Maybe the position of moderator should entail some more responsibility to trans users. If it was a mistake, it was preventable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason that he missed the capital in that comment is because he copied it from another comment he made or because writing that response has become so automated for him that he didn’t think about changing pronoun. It’s not an excuse but it’s more likely than it being intentional misgendering.

That community gets overrun by people saying to vote for Biden or defending Biden’s actions so it’s a lot of work to remove all those comments (there’s a lot of space on blahaj to voice those opinions and in my experience not much space to voice critique outside of libertyhub so I’m in favour of banning those comments there in order to elevate opinions that get suppressed elsewhere). It means that mistakes are easily made, and to make it themselves easier the mods there probably ban people for comments that they consider to be in a grey area because it reduces the workload.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If being the only anti-biden community on Lemmy means misgendering trans people then maybe there shouldn't be an anti-Biden community. If somebody is going to host a community like that, it should be someone who can do so without transphobia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That’s not what I wrote though.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Mod abuse goes as far back as the history of online moderators, that ain't going to be fixed any time soon.

But I really think You're looking way too into a missed capital letter and a ban for violating the rules of a community.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Surely you mean Jesus Fucking Christ, because OP knows several magical people who have used their magical powers to confirm Jesus also uses He/Him with capital letters.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's pretty blatant transphobia on the part of the moderator.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I’ve never heard of using capitalized pronouns, would You mind sharing a bit more about why You use them?

No pressure at all, You obviously don’t have to explain or justify Yourself or Your identity to me or anyone, but I’ve done a bit of googling and the only references I can find are to deities and i genuinely would love to know more

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Four years ago, I realised I was goddessgender, and My goddess-mother suggested I try out capitalised pronouns. They felt right, so I kept using them. The inspiration for Me to try out the pronouns came from My divinegender identity, but I don't think of the two as equal. I think the statement "Gods are referred to with They/Them" is about as true as the statement "women are referred to with she/her". I have met women who use he/him, men who use she/her, and enbies who use everything. But if your friend is coming out as transfeminine, it's a good idea to suggest she/her, right? I think it's the same with Me. My pronouns and My gender identity are not the same thing, they just happen to align, as most people's pronouns and gender do. I hope that people can respect My pronouns without having to believe everything I believe about My gender. I think the reason we use someone's preferred pronouns can just be "They like it", and it doesn't have to entail any kind of acceptance of a belief system. Likewise, I would immediately respect the preferred pronouns of any two-spirit or Bissu I met, despite not being a member of either religious system.

I wrote a couple of articles on the subject more broadly: https://medium.com/@viridiangrail/introduction-to-capitalised-pronouns-f5140e722b48, https://medium.com/@viridiangrail/on-spiritual-genders-b4152c4503cb

On My Discord server, The Outside, capitalised pronouns are the default for everyone and everything. We use the change to our language to provoke a change in thinking. It fills the air up with magic, which is very useful because it's an occultist server. And it has the handy benefit of getting everyone used to capitalised pronouns without starting a fight. The rate of transphobia in the server is much lower than other queer spaces I've been.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is the worst troll attempt I've seen this year.

Either that, or it's the silliest thing to come out of a bong this decade.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's gotta be the drone rights guy, they both were narcissists and drone rights was known to have multiple accounts where they pretended to not be the same person until put under pressure. I am amazed at how accepting people are of this person.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You have made comments 4 months ago using lower case pronouns, care to explain?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When I join a new space, I usually closet about My pronouns and other aspects of My identity on a hard or soft basis until I've made a decision to come out of the closet. Misgendering Myself is a safety measure to prevent harassment and abuse. When I am open about My pronouns, there are certain people who will decide to grill Me about every little perceived inconsistency to try to "gotcha" up an excuse to call Me a fake trans person. I usually only gender Myself correctly once I've decided to accept the risk of running into that kind of person.

Aside from judging a space to see if it's safe, in some spaces it can help to introduce Myself closeted and then come out, rather than start out being honest about My identity. There's a lot of people on sites like Lemmy that will call a new user who uses neopronouns a troll. Only being honest about My identity after I've proven I'm no troll is safer.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Thanks for taking the time to explain :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

That's awesome! Thanks for explaining.

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