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What brands do you avoid at all cost? I don't keep up with the news all that much, and many of the reasons to avoid something don't make it there anyway. So I'm asking here to make a big list of things to avoid. It could be anything from bad security practices to really frustrating packaging. Working as a cashier myself, I definitely know there are plenty of brands I avoid purely on the basis that their product is a pain to stock.

On the flip side, what's the alternative? If you avoid Pepsi, for example, what do you turn to instead?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Most fashion clothing brands.

The additional expenditure rarely maps to better quality.

And if they make watches too, don't buy those. They are always the cheapest watches with a name stamped on.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

Ugh god... Tech brands, off the top of my head:

  • Asus (Scammers)
  • Lenovo (Fuck lenovobios, bad hardware quality past 2010 or so)
  • Sager (Scammed me by selling a laptop with too high power draw that resulted in crashes)
  • Microsoft (Mega spyware corp, bad software, worst OS on the planet)
  • Apple (Likely spyware corp, Bad locked down devices, anti right to repair, overpriced)
  • Google (Biggest Baddest spyware company, monopoly on many platforms)
  • Nvidia (Extremely hostile to open source, will likely never work on OpenBSD unless Nvidia seriously changes their stance; even then there's so much bad faith at this point I wouldn't trust them)
  • Meta/Facebook (Mega spyware corp, zuck is a lizard)
  • Tesla (Loudest most-punchable most-hatable fascist at the helm, employees caught spying on users through interior cams, proprietary software ecosystem that won't work on my phone)
  • All major phone manufacturers (Android sucks, iOS sucks harder)
  • Pine64 (Charging circuit is software controlled for some insane reason, supports Manjaro)
  • All major smart TVs (spyware, always-on microphones, locked down OS with ad-ridden clients)

Okay companies:

  • Valve (Still hosts a shitty DRM platform, but it's the best one; only listing because the Steam Deck is awesome)
  • Framework (Pro user repair, good hardware, no complaints; look forward to RISC-V board)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A colleague of mine bought a framework and is always complaining about it. Says he wish he'd got a thinkpad again.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Let me give you a complaint for Framework: apparently they were having a hard time releasing bios updates in a timely manner (as in, they were over a year late iirc) which pissed a lot of people off.a

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly.. Google Play.. someone re-gifted my son a $20 Google Play card a few years ago, and I tried to buy something for him and realised the card was about 2weeks out of date, and after about 10 back and forwards with support, they wouldn’t honour it.. a trillion dollar company. I get it, but their cold indifference just seemed mean

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

They didn't become a trillion dollar company by being nice. No mega Corp earns their billions by being an honorable company

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

KwikFit fucked me over once 15 years ago and I'm never going back.

Apple is BS for losers.

Someone driving a Tesla I can't help but think of them sucking off Musk whilst being ass fucked.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

EA got my account stolen with 1200+ hours of playtime via fraudulent support tickets. That's why, I am not touching anything EA's involved with ever when they absolutely suck at account security.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Whatsapp is difficult for me to avoid, but I've been pulling it off for years now.

Honestly here in the NL it's almost as if people see it as some sort of government institution. We have neighborhood watches on there and they openly display the logo as a form of security measure. Honestly it's kinda creepy that that kinda stuff flows through their opaque servers and software.

I'd prefer an open and distributed protocol, with the largest node being government run. You can't avoid such large nodes, so it's better if they are run by a centralized democratic system. Aka @gmail.com, Lemmy.ml, mastadon.social (did I get that right?)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

This is always so shocking to me as an American where not many people use Whatsapp. I wouldn't doubt if snapchat is more common than Whatsapp in the states.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sony, for all sort of reasons (the rootkit and other DRM, pushing proprietary formats like MemoryStick and ATRAC3, removing OtherOS (a.k.a. Linux) support from the Playstation, etc.).

Blizzard, because of Freecraft and BNetD (I was boycotting them long before they merged with Activision).

Ideally, I would boycott Nestle and the other abusive agri-conglomerates, but honestly probably a lot of their products slip through because (a) it's hard to tell what's made by who because of all the subsidiary brands, and (b) with all the consolidation, pretty much everything is made by some shitty megacorp these days. I mean yeah, if I eschewed normal chain stores entirely and tried to buy everything from local small businesses or something then I guess I could avoid them, but ain't nobody got time (or money!) for that.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nestlé, Amazon, Coca Cola, Mars & its associates, Mondelez ("Kraft" for the 'muricans). I try to avoid basically any corporation greedy enough to go against human rights in the name of profits.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

But where will you get your super processed food?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago
  1. Apple
  2. Meta (but actually it effectively avoids me, I not much avoid it)
  3. Nazi states (the new axis powers) affiliated brands when I can, especially for the tech companies.

If you avoid Pepsi, for example, what do you turn to instead?

Tea, probably.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

As a 2017 MacBook Pro user running Linux on it, I agree 100%

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, lots of them. But I have a personal vendetta against Amazon. I worked at two companies for a few months, which supplied to Amazon among others, and it was just ridiculous how similar and bad their experiences with Amazon were.

At both companies, whenever we had to stock a delivery to Amazon, we had to use these brand-new pallets, which looked like you could break a toothpick out of them and it'd be sanitary.

Why did we not use old pallets? Because even though Amazon demands all the products to be packaged individually (so they can send them out to customers directly), if even just a handful of the packages get damaged during transport, they will send the whole truck load back at your cost.

And the asshats would take our brand-new pallets, then send back old-ass pallets, which we were then forced to use for all our non-shit customers.

No one at these companies wanted to work with Amazon. It was just that a significant amount of orders came from there, because of people like you and me using Amazon. So, I decided to not do that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a recommendation for me as an online shopper?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

During the pandemic, lots of offline shops built up a web shop, so that's where I order most stuff. Often enough, just opening up a map and looking at the shops near you, can already give you an idea. I'll also just do web searches for a product and see if any specialty, offline-first or manufacturer shops show up.

What also often works, is to look on big aggregator platforms like Amazon, Ebay, Etsy etc., but when you've found a product, then look if that brand/manufacturer has an own web store, or again via web search, if there's any other smaller stores also selling that same product. If you do that a few times, you'll usually find decent stores where it's worth looking at their other products, too.

That's kind of also what I actually like about doing this: Anyone can sell any crap or scam on Amazon et al and since you can't look at it for real, it's difficult to tell what's garbage and what's not.
These specialty/offline-first/manufacturer shops usually have a reputation/customers to lose, so they generally only sell stuff with a minimum of quality.

Also, if you order multiple products, you don't get a bazillion different packages delivered, but often rather just one, with all products combined.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Coke. Assassinating union leaders is not something I can stomache.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

CocaCola did what?? Why didn't I know that? Guess I'm a pepsi guy now, wow.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)
  • Nestle (not easy because the branding is not always obvious, but once you have it memorized it’s no problem)
  • Tesla (easy because the cars are shit anyways)
  • Müller (Luxembourg dairy product company that has close ties to the German fascist party AfD. Relatively easy but they do have some subbrands that are not obvious) [EDIT: more info]
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Do you have a link to the story about Müller and connection to AFD, im asking because i didnt know that.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've been boycotting muller for a while kow because they had the most obnoxious ad imaginable and this was before I couldn't take it any more and went for blockers.

Although I must admit part of me hopes that if we ever do go full cyberpunk that there will be a huge müller pyramid full of cows.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to ask this, excuse I like my yoghurt, but can you tell me more about the Muller-AfD link?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The owner of the company is regularly meeting with Alice Weidel (one of the lead members) and says openly that he is interested in her party’s political views.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, I can live without yoghurt

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