Imagine them finding cave wall pantings...
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I have a bad feeling about this.
life on Earth began in caves
I thought it began in the ocean.
Ocean caves.
Warm little ponds.
Checkmate
Everything reminds me of her
Iβm skeptical that weβll establish a long-term presence on the moon, or even visit. Weβll be too busy trying to survive the living hell our governments and corporations have created.
What we hope for: Star Trek
Where we're really headed: Mad Max
Mad Max... In spaaaace!
Excellent spot for a time capsule.
Yes, humanity shall survive in a 900 ft deep cave. Right after we ministurize ourselves and everything we need with the Acme ray gun.
It really is made of cheese!
Yβknow we got about ten years before the extinction event we caused catches up with us, right. Moon and Mars fantasies are just that.
Yeah? So give up on this frivolous stuff and do... what exactly? Spend 10 years redirecting everyone's efforts into building mausoleums and tombs so we can all hop in in 2034? What are the NASA guys, or the European space agency people, meant to do in relation to the climate crisis and looming extinction event? Rocket science isn't biology, isn't climate science (though launched satellites and the like do help with researching it), isn't geopolitics.
You give me the same vibe as gamers whining about a game's art team making assets for cosmetic dlcs instead of adding story content or fixing game bugs or something, when they literally cannot do anything about those other things because it's outside their jurisdiction.
I get your point and agree but it's worth mentioning that NASA and the ESA are very much involved in climate sciences. It's like one of the main things they do.
Youβre right space agencies have no resources or skills which could be tasked with mitigating the climate crisis. Particularly any skills around creating sustainable living on the moon. Buncha liquid propulsion trigonometry nerds.
Dunno what i was thinking.
Yep, let's just keep the charade up. Keep doing this and sending so much blue origin and spacex trash into low earth orbit.
Blue Originβs rockets have never been to low earth orbit.
And Starlink can hardly be considered trash, it enables internet for millions of customers.
It is absolutely trash. Millions of customers at the expense of billions of people. More and more space trash comes down every year, under the blessing of international space treaties and not under much scrutiny. What it will do to our atmosphere is not studied yet and Starlink gives zero fucks.
Do the study then. We typically do not prevent people from high speed internet access on merely the suspicion of problems.
Thereβs some work already on this topic, mostly unclear results so far. Right now weβre seeing roughly a 2% increase in stratospheric aerosols due to anthropogenic origin. One study notes that the increased aluminum oxides in the stratosphere actually protect against global warming, while the biological effects are still being studied, possibly affecting mental health.
Obviously we need to be cautious with our planet, so I expect far more studies to clarify this effect.
OK I'll just go do a study.
Increased aluminum oxides are a very short term effect and mask the long lasting effects of CO2 and CH4 so we need to stop spouting that industry nonsense.
Itβs not a short term effect if the atmospheric change becomes permanent due to increased reentry mass, obviously. The βshort termβ argument refers to geoengineering by direct injection. Iβm not suggesting we do this however - like I said there are indicators that the extra aerosols might be affecting mental health. Besides, like you said, direct carbon reduction is a much more sustainable path to fixing climate change.
We on that Kessler Syndrome speed run grind.
Tens of thousands of years of progress from humans living in caves so that humans can live in caves, on the Moon.
"We're whalers on the moon!"
We carry a harpoon!
But there ain't no whales
So we tell tall tales
And sing a whaling tune!
I have a sneaking suspicion this is an alien trap. They know we can't resist caves! I bet that thing is full of probes.
An alien made human trap akin to human made mouse traps, except they aren't baiting us with any delicious food.
How do you know it's not full of sweet berry tarts and sugary treats?
It sounds like you are volunteering for the brave mission to discover moon berries. You will be remembered as a hero.
What if they are baiting us with the possibility of sweet berry tarts and sugary treats and there are none?
Such villainy!
Full of spiders, if doctor who is anything to go by, which it ofc is.
Meanwhile, we can't even fix the homeless problem right here on Earth, despite the abundance of available housing..
damn, if only there was some way to do more than one thing at one time.
Damn, if only rich dollars were distributed equally and fairly..
This is the type of argument I expect to see on Facebook by their mostly uneducated crowds. But here on Lemmy? I thought we were a bit better than that and more rational...
These are completely independent scenarios, with different funding streams, with different problems, solutions and so on.
You have a Facebook account? Why?
I don't have one.
Completely different revenue streams, academic expertise, decision making possibilities, etc.
It's not that we blew our paycheck on space shit and can't house everyone. We fucked up on the homeless for completely detached reasons. There's more than enough money
We could fix it, we just don't want to.
Some of us do want to, sure, but clearly not the people with the power to do anything about it
Was gonna say this myself. God-damned dystopia.
But what if those humans only ever see their shadows, cast on the moon cave wall?
Until Lunar Plato frees himself from the cave and sees the world as it truly is... then returns and quietly sits back down because itβs a barren wasteland.
Another 6 weeks of winter Iβd assume.
They damn sure ain't gonna be touching grass anytime soon..