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[–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not only are CDs in 16bit, which is noticably lossy - it's a human product. all human made stuff will have mistakes and errors. what about the editing, studio or anything else

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[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 37 points 10 months ago (27 children)

Most musical instruments are analog. Digitizing them is inherently lossy. I mean, it doesn't matter, you can get both digital and analog recordings that are orders of magnitude more accurate than human hearing, but claiming that analog is more inherently lossy than digital is just factually incorrect, unless the music is produced purely digitally. Including no human voices, because those are analog.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 43 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Digitizing is only lossy once*. Analog is lossy every time you copy it and degrades over time.

*Assuming you use a lossless digital format

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[–] chamomile@furry.engineer 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

@zephr_c @nifty The character in the drawing is Hatsune Miku, so this is alluding to vocaloid music which could be produced purely digitally as you say.

Completely agreed otherwise, though.

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[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

Smooth graph better than steps though maybe ear technology will improve and then you’ll see!

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

CD sales are also going up...

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dont tell them, but I mixed in protools before outputting to a conversion box to get it on the vinyl

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But vinyl is still inherently lossy, so the argument still applies.

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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Pristine? I bass boost the shit out of everything.

We only accept low frequencies in this household 🗿

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I have a reasonably expensive audiophile set up (nothing fancy by true audiophile standards mind you) but I still basically just listen to all my music through a pair of Skullcandy Crushers lol

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Hearing discernible sounds < boxing with lungs wrapped around one's fists.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago (2 children)

One of the sillier reasons I still purchase vinyls is that it feels like I'm getting a cool poster along with the music

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

I buy CDs for the booklets (and am massively disappointed if there is none)

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 40 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I will happily pay the absurd modern prices for vinyl if I know for a fact there is a digital download card inside. Record companies need to put a fucking sticker on albums to let us know this because not getting one feels like an actual scam.

Also pretty much everything is digitally mastered anyway so if anyone judges you ask them if they own ANY analog albums

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Wasn't there even an "all analog" label in the US that claimed to use a fully analog pipeline in their process. People were saying it sounds so much better than the digital garbage we have, until somebody found out they were secretly using digital sources in their process and now the company got sued.

For all the recording nerds out there I highly recommend the book "Perfecting Sound Forever" by Greg Milner, which offers really good insights from both sides of the analog/digital debacle.

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[–] AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

omg literally me

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Just so long as you acknowledge the fact that 99% of digital audio you listen to is not meticulously optimized the point that there's a discernable difference between it and analog sound.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but due to lossy compression. Not because of any limitations of digital audio.

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't judge what anyone else listens to, but records are better.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I'm having trouble connecting my record player to my car stereo over Bluetooth. Also it keeps skipping. Help!

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[–] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 10 months ago

In your subjective opinion, for sure! The added enjoyment from using this vintage technology and the collectible aspect of vinyl records can bring about a more preferable experience compared to digital audio!

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 103 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

D/A and A/D | Digital Show and Tell (Monty Montgomery @ xiph.org)

This is a video about the digital vs analog audio quality debate. It explains, with examples, why analog audio within the accepted limits of human hearing (20 Hz to 20 kHz) can be reproduced with perfect fidelity using a 44.1 kHz 16 Bit digital signal.

There is no audible difference between an analog and digital audio signal.

Among other things, xiph.org maintains the .flac and .ogg vorbis audio formats - they know a little about audio encoding and reproduction.

[–] vulpivia@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's actually because of the limitations of analog media that analog audio might sound better. For example, you can't compress the signal as much when mastering for vinyl instead of digital, since you risk the needle jumping between adjacent grooves. As a result, the vinyl version of a song can sound more dynamic.

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[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 19 points 10 months ago

"they're part of BIG DIGITAL!"

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[–] tunasyne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 10 months ago

miku miku beeeeaaaam

[–] BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works 75 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just don't mention the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem. Last time I did that I barely made it out of the record shop alive

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Physics? In my record store? GET OUT!

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 10 points 10 months ago

"Noise floor? Don't be silly, it's analogue, there is no noise floor!"

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