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This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I remember the SPUSA (Social Party USA) chapter I was briefly apart of....

I remember that asshole who ran it quite well. He basically started telling people I was a "rape apologist" when I refused to give my blessing as the "token trans chick" in a meeting, to a blatantly transphobic candidate he wanted to push.

What really confused me, was the time that he condemned Bernie Sanders and disavowed him as a "sham progressive"" because he "refused to advocate for violence against the police", as if that was realistically something Bernie could do without being arrested on the spot, or would have been a smart idea even if he was allowed to say it.

I'm convinced Tankies have no morals or principles, outside of a desire to find the most Left Leaning people and shout "I'M HOLIER-THAN-THOU!" at them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I remember the SPUSA (Social Party USA) chapter I was briefly apart of…

I remember that asshole who ran it quite well. He basically started telling people I was a “rape apologist” when I refused to give my blessing as the “token trans chick” in a meeting, to a blatantly transphobic candidate he wanted to push.

What really confused me, was the time that he condemned Bernie Sanders and disavowed him as a “sham progressive”" because he “refused to advocate for violence against the police”, as if that was realistically something Bernie could do without being arrested on the spot, or would have been a smart idea even if he was allowed to say it.

Jesus Christ. I'd ask 'Why do narcissistic sociopathic twats always end up running things?', but unfortunately, I already know the answer. Because they want power, and they're willing to do whatever they can to shore it up, no principles needed.

Without oversight from an active community, that shit always seems to happen.

I’m convinced Tankies have no morals or principles, outside of a desire to find the most Left Leaning people and shout “I’M HOLIER-THAN-THOU!” at them

It's exhausting. I just want to not die.

... well, I guess that's not REALLY true.

I just want my friends and family not to die. Apparently that's too much to ask.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think my favorite detail is the guy's day job was being a manager for a cable company around here, the staff under him went on strike due to his bullshit, we're in a Right To Work state where "No one wants to work!" is a common everyday line...

Personally, at this point, I want to die and see what the afterlife is like... It MUST be better than this, or for the Right to finally fall, collapse under its own weight... and if the former, make it quick. No need to drag this shit out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I had to Google what Right to Work meant to remind myself. I remembered it was some BS name for some stupid right wing rule, but forgot the detail. At first I came across international human rights meaning people are allowed to work for money, but I knew that wasn't it. Then I came across some countries where some immigrants don't have the right to work, and I knew that wasn't it, too literal, then I added the word state to my search and found what I was looking for - ah yes, in the good ol' US of A, "Right to Work" doesn't mean you have the right to work at all, it means a union and an employer DON'T have the right to make an agreement where the employer collects union funding fees from all employees. Can't let the unions get in the way of that good ol' wage suppression!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A more honest name for the law would be "Right To Work An Insecure job For Less Pay"

America just loves the line that "Anyone who wants to help you is obviously evil because everyone is out for themselves! It's a cover for fucking you over, that's why you can trust us when we say we're helping you by suppressing your rights!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they're trying to show us the logical conclusion of moral absolutism?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I would like it if their demonstration didn't involve making everything in our lives worse for no gain. Like, a whiteboard will do, I swear.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They are just as reactionary as "mAkE 'mURiCa GrAtE aGiN!" mouth-breathers. They were the very first to stop listening to Bernie when he told them what they didn't want to hear, what didn't jive with their medieval mindset of a messiah with a magical political wand to fix everything overnight, and of course republican and kremlin troll farms exploited this, keep on exploiting it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Sadly they may be just as reactionary, but they are nowhere near as effective. Too busy eating their own for failing purity tastes instead of getting irrationally angry anytime a Republican Candidate breathes....

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Leftists need to understand that the US is not a leftist country, and they will always, always, always be disappointed by our government.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tbf most leftists seem to define leftist by differing qualities. To one you're leftist as long as you aren't racist/-phobic, to another that non-racist liberal isn't a leftist because they don't want to murder landlords in the street for the crime of renting out a house (or, y'know, kidnap a rich teen, rob a few banks, pull some unsuccessful bombings, kill the first black school superintendent and a few more people, and die in a shootout with the cops. "Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people" and all that).

The more tame example may reach a day where they are at least less upset, maybe even happy. The reactionary murderer example will never be happy because the problem is inside themselves but they externalize it as "kill and murder people I don't like," and yeah ain't nobody going for it. And of course it isn't just those two, it's a spectrum, but ykwim.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is exactly why you need a functioning multi-party system to breed steady progress and trust in political institutions. With a multi party system you will have fringe parties getting a couple percent of the vote.

For example in Norway, the party "Red", which is literally a communist party with armed revolution as part of its official party programme, regularly gets like 3% of the vote, and more-or-less nazi party that get <1%. Then you have a bit more moderate parties that get maybe 10%, before you get to the classic "labour" and "conservative" parties, which gets 20-30% each, and a couple "center" parties with ≈5-8%.

The point is that when one of the extreme (or centrist) parties suddenly starts growing, the big parties are forced to change their policies to regain votes. This also means that a typical government is a coalition between several parties, where the distribution of power between those parties is representative of the vote. For example, one election the not-so-extreme left party could get 12%, forcing the larger Labour Party to tend left on a lot of issues to gather enough support.

In short: A functioning multi-party system with coalitions favours nuance and gradual political change, rather than a black-and-white, polarised system. At the same time, everyone can see that their views are actually represented in the parliament, because even if they have extreme views, they have a party to represent them. Over time, this likely makes people less likely to grow even more extreme, but encourages them to vote and work within the political system, while recognising that their views only hold 1-5% support in the population.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Hell, they'll be disappointed by our populace.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You fucking NAILED it! This is exactly what I’ve been trying to say, only far more efficient.

Well drone!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It's only missing a fascist puppeteering them

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In any European country, afaik, Bernie and AOC would match a left-center, moderate progressive party. It's funny that some of those countries actual left or far-left parties are kind of "let's burn the capital and go back to them fields attitude".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Those parties are rarely a significant part of the governing process, and shouldn't really be considered as a fair barometer of any given country's overton.

Also, several European socialist, democratic socialist, and social democratic parties have labelled Bernie's proposal for M4A as radical even by their standards, and American social politics to be well to their left, particularly on race issues.

France had a national panic about "American University Wokeism", which can basically be defined as "not being rancid festering dick cheese to muslims for the jollies and trying to use gender inclusive language to recognize trans and NB folks."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Europeans often act all puffed up until you mention gypsies. "You don't understand because you're not from here" is our "I'm not racist but".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Or the most mask off, "That's different, they deserve it!"

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