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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

The issue I have Is when there whole character is that they are a minority

Like I love Ashoka but Ray Skywalker is just boring

Now when people hate on actual good characters like Samus That's when alarms should be sounded

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is Ray or Rey or whoever a minority?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

No, because she'd be a new character instead of a lazy, crappy rewrite of already established characters. Which is why I hate current Luke Skywalker, but not Miles Morales. It's why I hate current Klingons, but not Baldur's Gate 3 (haven't played it (yet)).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

is miles morales not an original character ?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago

If Metroid came out today:

"UNBELIEVABLE!!! Woke SJW cultural marxists made Nintendo to put politically correct forced diversity into Metroid! Only on Chudcast, the podcast by naiveCentrist1355, formerAtheistTurnedChristianFundamentalist23456, epicGamer7822, Dr IGroomTeens, and iSwearIamNotANaziJustAModerateChoservativeChristianDemocrat1488"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

The only time I hear about a new game coming out is when the protagonist or side character is a woman or black and the outrage from right wingers leaves gaming news

[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Not sure if it's mentioned yet but the "secret ending" of Metroid was that she takes off her helmet and reveals herself to be a woman in the end. It was actually written to be a surprise for people who beat the game very fast, which makes this a really weird example.

And honestly, I think that's them being accidently progressive for shock value, since subsequent secret speed run endings in later games had her in a bikini...

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Half-Life 2 introduced a sidekick who's mixed race, has dyed hair, and punches cops in her first scene. And yet I've heard no one call that game woke.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

On the best endings, especially for the games where she isn't 27 pixels in total, she's traditionally shown to be pretty muscular.

Not space-marine pauldron-filling muscular, but far too big not to be called woke..

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

She’s tall but she’s way too narrow to actually fit the shoulders on the suit. It’s one of those weird game oversights, like how many game building interiors are too large for the exterior to contain.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I don't think it's an oversight as much as it is simply the design of the suit to have large pauldron-like shoulders that also make it look like mechanical joints. And I mean, the biggest "how does that work" thing for me has always been the morph ball. How does she not just liquify?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The issue is that her arms would have to be cut off at the shoulder to fit into the arms of the suit. This fan-made diagram shows what I mean:

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Her arms are actually bunched up in front of her so she can hold a little Xbox controller

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

She can morph into a spaceball - I can believe the detached shoulders.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think this is a particularly good take. Inclusivity IS much more important today than it was to people even 10 years ago. The real issue is that being woke is GOOD! It's crazy that people have twisted it around, like shutting our eyes to the world's problems (being "asleep") is somehow the right way to be.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think both are true. We are more interested in inclusivity today, and that is a good thing! But it's also true that certain currents in our society have reacted to that like an immune system to a foreign body. Things that were benign previously become objects of irritation and anger as one of the 'outsiders' even if it's no different than the long-established and beloved things.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's honestly insane that gamers are not down with communism, given that the games industry is the prime example of all the failings of capitalism

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Fascism is socialism for lazy fools

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Honestly I think this is a bad example. Guys are generally happy to play games with attractive bad-ass female leads. See Metroid/Tomb Raider/Bayonetta/Nier/etc

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Kicker is that they have to be attractive, which is the real reason most have no hate towards them. Aloy wasn't traditionally attractive in the Horizon sequel and people lost their shit.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

The twist in the original Metroid was that you didn't find out Samus was a woman until the ending, I could totally see today's dumbass gamers calling that a bait-and-switch.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago

They complain about reboot Lara Croft's tits being too small. Regular sized boobs are woke of course.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Tomb raider rocked... Bayonetta, not as much

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I actually think this is a fantastic example for this reason. Gamers back in the day were PISSED when they found out Samus Aran was a fEmOiD

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Were they? Has there been a survey or something? Because going off letters wrote or something is a pretty bad metric to judge the opinion of any general population,because guess who would be the people most motivated to voice their opinion. Whatever fraction of the observed population they make up can’t really be derived from that. (Also holds true for social media today)

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I heard they were surprised, but where they pissed?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, but fort that you had to finish the game. That was HARD as hell back in the days. I believe neither I nor anyone in my elementary school knew Samus was a girl because nobody managed to finish the game.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You had to finish the game within a certain time limit too. For super Metroid, you didn't get the full perfect ending unless you did it in 3 hours.

Which is impossible for a normal mortal..

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Isn't her silhouette revealed when you die?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

not in the original, you're thinking of the thirdquil on the snes.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Guess you didn't go to school with Justin Bailey.

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