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Today, before taking an Uber home, she sent me a text wanting me to be downstairs on the street to greet her as the Uber arrives. I read it and told her that yes, I'll be there. I didn't notice any further text because I was in the middle of something.

Later, I hear the door opening and went to our door to greet her, she was furious and refused to talk to me. I realized I forgot to turn my phone back from silent mode after work today. I told her that it is my bad, she still refused to talk to me. At this point, things are still normal for our relationship, she would usually become willing to talk after a while.

I usually go to sleep at 22:30 and she knows, so I thought we'd sort things out tomorrow and went to bed. I woke up in the middle of the night (later I found out it was 1a.m.) to her standing next to my bed (we sleep in separate bedrooms), and she began asking a series of pointed questions: "What would you do if you found out that I was gone?", "What would you do if the CCTV on our street is broken by chance?", "What would you tell my mother if I went missing?", "If I was actually kidnapped, would you kill the guy for me?"

You know, the usual. I thought she's just angry at me still and wanted to vent, so I went along with her for the time being: "I'd be very worried and look for you everywhere", "I'd sue the city", "I'd tell your mother exactly what happened and say I'm sorry", and "I'd kill the guy who kidnapped you".

She grumbled and asked a few follow-up questions, like "if you're planning to kill the guy, what would you do with our cat?" But at this point, I think she's finding it difficult to stay angry at me. I tell her again that I'm sorry I missed her text, and that next time this happens, she should just call me to make sure I see her text, but she left soon after without acknowledging my apology.

I know I'm in the wrong for missing her text. Not trying to argue otherwise. My question is, am I really responsible if someone kidnaps her between getting off the Uber and getting into our apartment complex? Is she trying to guilt trip me into thinking her anger is justified or am I really a horrible, kidnap-facilitating bad person for missing a few texts?

Edit for context: we live in a pretty safe city that ranks top 10 in the world on low crime rate. Also, thank you all for educating me on what gaslighting actually means. It was 2 in the morning when I posted this, I did not have the energy to find the answer myself.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

This is not gaslighting, but it is odd.

What would have happened if you had just said "sorry I'm really busy with work today and won't be able to meet you at the drop off"?

If this would cause her to act the same way, then there's something wrong. Maybe she recently did a true crime binge and is feeling insecure about her safety? Or maybe she's showing signs of mental illness. If you guys are in your early 20s, that's when schizophrenia typically shows up, and can definitely have some paranoia to it. But, you'd need to get a professional to diagnose something like that.

If it wouldn't cause her to act like this, then she's probably just pissed you didn't do what you said you would do. Maybe you have a track record of this kind of behavior and she's starting to get tired of it?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 months ago (6 children)

None of that is gaslighting. However, it's a red flag.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

Abandon ship, my dude.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"What would you do if you found out that I was gone?", "What would you do if the CCTV on our street is broken by chance?", "What would you tell my mother if I went missing?", "If I was actually kidnapped, would you kill the guy for me?"

You know, the usual.

Are you ok? Blink twice if you're ok

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Texts are not synchronous communication. If a response/action is needed, a voice call is better suited.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I'll leave the psychological analysis to others but when I'm in a text discussion that needs synchronization (e.g. pick someone up at the train station), I usually respond to incoming texts as soon as I see them, e.g. with "ok", unless I'm driving and the person is expecting me. Even if I'm driving, I'll hear the incoming text buzz the phone, so if I think it needs immediate attention I'll pull over and look at it. So lack of such a text response within a few minutes could indicate "follow up with a voice call".

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (5 children)

This is absolutely manipulative.

Whether she realizes it or not, refusing to engage or talk about it, except in her own time frame- is not a good sign for a healthy relationship, and when she did decide to talk about it, put you into a compromised position- being unable to think clearly.

The questions she’s asking are meant to elicit fear and massive guilt. Though to be blunt, I’m going to assume there’s no real danger of any of that happening, I assume the neighborhood is fairly safe. Because usually it is.

As for what you’d do…? Call the cops. Duh. You (probably) don’t have the resources to find any one and kill them, and besides which, if she’s really asking that you do, uhm… dodge that bullet.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago

The bitch is crazy, get rid of her asap

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My question is, am I really responsible if someone kidnaps her between getting off the Uber and getting into our apartment complex?

Only if you were involved in the kidnapping, like paying them to do it.

Is she trying to guilt trip me into thinkg her anger is justified or am I really a horrible, kidnap-facillitating bad person for missing a few texts?

She is trying to guilt trip you for missing her text by using emotionally ever the top hyperbole which is not gaslighting. Gaslighting requires intentionally lying about something that did not happen to make you question your own experience.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Only if you were involved in the kidnapping, like paying them to do it.

Reading this I'm not sure I'd fault him even if that were the case.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Still rampant manipulation, though.

I’d say at least on the level of gaslighting

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Her standing by your bed and behaving like that is childish and she's demonstrating manipulative behaviour.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not gaslighting, and from what you seem to describe, doesn't appear to be manipulative either. She just seems to be angry. Not to say that you can't be both angry and manipulative, but I don't see clear intent for her to try to guilt trip or gaslight you.

Gaslighting would be if she lied and said that she sent you a message when in fact she didn't. i.e., lying with the intent to make you question your judgment and perception

Guilt tripping would be if she pressured you into giving her a gift as compensation for ignoring her message. i.e., taking advantage of someone's feelings of guilt to get them to do something for you.

I don't see any lie, and I don't see hee trying to extract anything out of you. Worst case interpretation, she's being a bit petty. Best case interpretation, she's scared of being alone outside.

I noticed your final paragraph, and I would be cautious in general about saying that someone who's trying to convince you that their anger is justified is automatically manipulative. That's kind of just how anger works. People think that their anger is justified. Otherwise they wouldn't be angry. Manipulation occurs when you start to feel like you are being used for their own motives.

Either way, you should probably talk to her about it. It seems like she thinks the issue is more severe than you appear to think, and that is something that should be discussed with her

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Standing by your bed while you're asleep and berating you isn't manipulative?

Nah, to needs to leave, now. No sense hanging around to see what this escalates to. Not worth putting in the effort for someone who's demonstrated they need to grow up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Sleep deprivation is a form of torture.

This is absolutely manipulative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah this is manipulative as hell he needs to run like hell. Today. Not tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

What about being overly dramatic in the comments section about someone else's minor spat with his girlfriend. Is that manipulative?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

My question is, am I really responsible if someone kidnaps her

Of course not.

The kidnapper is responsible. Maybe an instigator, too.

But not random persons who could maybe have done random things differently.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

She is emotionally abusing you.

  1. She needs therapy.
  2. If she doesnt get therapy, sadly, the relationship needs to end. In this situation, be prepared to get a restraining order.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I can't relate as well, as I live in a city where things are really really aafe. But there are places where a women are afraid to walk alone in the dark, even for a few steps. (And even in safe places some people are quite afraid)

I'd be very careful with remote diagnosis. You. might be right, she needs therapy. She might just be afraid, because something bad happened to her some time.

The only way is for OP to have a good talk with her what's bothering her - and then he may come to a conclusion. As of now, there's just not enough information.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Yes, I'm hedging it off her making up a new reason, the cat, to stay angry.

And that he already has a whole sentence of things he knows he has to say.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago

Your girlfriend is an immature child and manipulative.

You can't make somebody like that happy. It won't get better either. You can try reason with her but maturity issue will prevent her from out growing it.

She will need a few more boyfriends if she is ever to to learn why this clown behavior is no good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That's legitimately not gaslighting.

And gaslighting is 100% real thing, but I always think of this Rick and Morty clip now when someone brings it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFM5E93NOF4

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

My ex-wife would do very much the same thing and more and she was abusive as fuck. If this kind of thing is typical, it's a big red flag.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's gaslighting. Gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning their perception of reality. This is being angry at someone.

I can't really relate. Is it really that dangerous where you live? We probably live in different countries but I don't have CCTV in the residential area where I live. And usually in the summer, it's still bright enough at 10pm an people are still around and it's safe enough for women to walk home alone. At least in most places.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's pretty safe where we live afaik, also CCTV is everywhere here especially in and around the big cities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I get that you're trying to get more info to help OP out better, but I think that it's better to drop this "where are you from?" talk. Privacy-wise it's rather problematic, you know? [Sorry for the uncalled advice.]

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Asking someone their country of residence is privacy intruding? Lol

In the strictest sense perhaps, but I dont think a criminal could make something of the knowledge that I am from Germany.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

As a wise man once said, "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after you." Oh wait, that was Kurt Cobain, not a wise man.

Jokes aside, don't assume that a piece of info about someone else is fine to share, because it is for you. OP likely has their reasons and that's to be respected. (NB: this is coming from someone who doesn't mind even sharing their city online.)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

U ain't wrong...

While info is useful, it ain't worth breaking opsec for it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

OP gave some clues, though. I think the comment with "London" was meant to be a joke. But it's true that this kind of surveillance is common in Britain, some parts of Asia and some random big cities. And OP knows how to write the time of the day properly, so they're certainly not from the USA. 😉

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Haha, our city has a much lower crim rate than London actually.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, sometimes perceived reality and the real reality are two things. And there are places where you can't walk on the streets as a woman. I'm not sure if it's about fear in your case. Or just because you broke your promise but there isn't any fear involved.

Anyways, in relationships general advice is to talk to each other. Ask her what's bothering her. Maybe it's a pretend reason and there is something deeper that's bothering her. Maybe this was the proper reason. Maybe she's a resentful person. Maybe she just had a bad day.

Unless it happens regularly or there are other factors to it, I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to malice or be a manipulation strategy...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (6 children)

To answer your specific question, in this example, no she's not gaslighting you. Gaslighting is a special form of lying intent on having you doubting your own reason, judgement, and even memory, in favor of someone else's.

In this case, it sounds like she's afraid of her own neighborhood, and is depending on you to make her feel safe. Were I in your position, I would talk to her about looking for someplace to live she does feel safe.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If I was actually kidnapped, would you kill the guy for me?

This is a pretty massive red flag right here, IMO. I wouldn't stick around any person that asks this question. If a person is kidnapped there are like a million other steps you can take that lead to the kidnapper rotting in jail and the victim's SO not being put in jail for murder.

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