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[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago

I have no idea why Jedi Survivor decided to do that with one random empire guy.

Everybody else got their fucking arms and legs cut off.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, if my kill count was at 69420, I'd need a REALLY good reason to kill one more

If I were at 69419, he'd be dead without a second thought

[–] [email protected] 39 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

If you missed 69420, don't worry about it, because 69422 is 69420, too.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 23 hours ago

Fallout 3. Slaughter the vault of police officers (who you grew up knowing), but grow a conscience when you meet the overseer. Take out armies of enclave soldiers, but let the weirdo Colonel Autumn walk away.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

I hated that when it happened in Titan A.E.

Moment in question - late in the filmThe fate of all humanity is at stake, and this guy took bribes to kill all humans - but this kid spares him.

Movie Conclusion / Moral of the storyAnd then the guy he spared makes the sacrifie play, saving all of humanity, so maybe don't trust me with those kinds of judgement calls, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The Last of Us 2. I don't know, I haven't played the game yet

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

You might not have played the game but you are spot on. No other piece of media is as guilty of this as TLOU2. Ellie literally travels hundreds of miles and kills hundreds of people on her path to revenge, then I'm supposed to believe she has some epiphany during the final fight and she decides to not kill her target??? That target being the whole reason the game exists??? Totally ruined it for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

You might be sympathetic to a recent video essay from Door Monster's Kyle who definitely has a bone to pick with TLOU2 (and other recentish pop culture hits)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

Fucking Moon Knight. That dude’s whole thing is killing mother fuckers at the top, he prides himself on being a murderer of murderers and crime bosses and he’s not going to give a fuck what you think of his moral stance, yet at the end of the Disney+ series he decides he’s a fucking universalist or some shit? Fuck that! Moon Knight is a straight up murderer, he would be the first person to tell you that he is a murderer and that he don’t give a fuck how anyone feels about it.

Also, they didn't use the song Dead Moon Night by Dead Moon when there was a dead Moon Knight. Fuck that show.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, couldn't that moon knight be the personality that deus ex machina's everything in the disney+ show? The personality that they show has taken over by the end? (or became more prominent, I dunno', it's been years since I've seen it)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Fuck that. Deus ex machina is just a fancy way to say bullshit writing that disregards everything. If they wanted that kind of story they should have used a different character.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (9 children)

For me, the best version of this is Avatar: The Last Airbender. Aang spends an entire arc lamenting how he may need to spill blood and kill the Fire Lord. Meanwhile the very same Aang had previously sunk an entire naval fleet single-handedly.

How many thousands of sailors, most of them probably people drafted against their will, did you kill that day Aang? Remember when you literally sliced entire ships in half? Your hands cut through steel, would you have even felt the flesh you were cutting through? Or how about all those ships you sank? A fair number sank instantly. You think everybody got out safely from those ships? Or how about that time you destroyed that giant drill machine, the one manned by thousands of soldiers, outside the walls of Ba Sing Se? You think everyone managed to miraculously escape that fireball? And those are just the major battles. How about the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of fire nation soldiers you casually tossed around like rag dolls with your powers of air, water, and earth during dozens of minor skirmishes? What are the odds you managed to toss all these men around like playthings and NOT have a few of them have their skulls bashed open on rocks when they hit the ground wrong?

The point of this is not to condemn Aang's actions through the series. His actions were fully justified, as he was fighting a war against an expansionist colonial military power. What he did was an objective good. But by the time he's hand wringing about having to kill Fire Lord Ozai, Aang had almost certainly already taken hundreds of lives. Hell, he probably killed hundreds just in that final climactic battle against the airship armada. The Hindenburg disaster saw 1/3 of the passenger and crew parish. And that was from an airship that crashed when it was already landing and close to the ground. Aang was dropping ships from miles in the sky. Maybe some soldiers with fire bending powers could somehow slow their own descent enough to survive, maybe they had some parachutes. But there's zero chance that Armada didn't have a fatality rate at least comparable to the Hindenburg disaster.

So Aang blithely kills hundreds of conscripts without a second thought. But then he has a crisis of conscience that takes multiple episodes to resolve, and that crisis of conscience is all about...Fire Lord Ozai? This is like if someone nonchalantly participated in the Firebombing of Dresden and then suddenly developed complex moral doubts about putting a bullet in Hitler's head. Aang had already killed hundreds of people that Ozai had sent to their deaths. No one was forcing Ozai. He wasn't a conscript. He had full autonomy; he's the absolute ruler of the Fire Nation. He doesn't even have a Congress or Parliament to answer to. He has absolute total moral responsibility for every evil thing the Fire Nation has done. Yet, when it comes to actually holding the powerful accountable, suddenly Aang wants to talk about the morality of killing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago

Lol I cringed so hard at that.

Also

::: spoiler Legend of Korra spoilers Aang being the merciful idiot he is and letting Yakone live is why his recincarnation had to deal with the Amon problem. 🤦‍♂️ ::

[–] [email protected] 24 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Plus I thought Avatar Yang Chen's argument was amazing. She told Aang that his duties to protect people as the Avatar outweighed his spiritual need to be a pacifist.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

Aang was very explicitly not in control of himself during the invasion of the north, and he became scared of his power due to his experiences with the avatar state.

The whole moral conundrum is about him consciously choosing to kill the Fire Lord. Yes, he most likely caused deaths before, but not consciously & deliberately.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, there is that difference. But the series doesn't even address the fact that he's already killed hundreds of people. Intentionally or not, it's still absurd to hand wring about killing when you've already killed hundreds of people, accidentally or not, and the one person you're worrying about taking down is literal genocidal maniac. To me that just sounds like not being willing to take responsibility for your own actions. Intentionally or not, Aang killed hundreds of people. And it's not like he never went into the Avatar state again after taking out the Northern fleet. Hell, he fought Ozai while in the Avatar state. Maybe he should have just "accidentally" killed Ozai while in the Avatar state and just washed his hands of moral culpability, just like he did all the other people he killed before then.

Regardless, Aang found a way to make peace with the fact that he had taken hundreds of lives. But when the person in question is someone of power and renown? Then it becomes something to fret over.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Clearly some people's lives are more valuable than others' /s

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean, you're not wrong without the /s, but it is hilarious whos lives are considered important in media...

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

wrong bracket in the Link.

Also: good writeup, I like it :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago

Thanks! Fixed.

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