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I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as "we'll just handle it") plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we're a bunch of cunts, it's fair to say.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself you cu...

Oh fair enough

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

That's offensive, I lack the warmth and the depth!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

why do you expect random people on the internet to be smart enough to be able to have a position and defend it for such a complex thing as the economy?

I think you'll find a lot of nuance for more specific matters, but not for something this complex and abstract. You'll mostly get emotional responses and opinions. If you want to have an intellectual discussion on economics, I don't think this is the right place.

You could also be part of the solution and create a community for that type of content. You could be in charge of moderating it, to keep away the users that you consider are echo-chambering without actual contributions.... I mean, if you really care about actual solutions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I don't expect much, just that when I'm having a discussion about how to engage in grassroots efforts to fix smaller scale problems, I don't have a third chime in with "global revolution now, only answer or shut up"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I definitely feel like I can get away with posting against group think here on lemmy far more than I did on reddit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about going "against group think" I just don't want to be bombarded with replies about the global capitalism problem when I'm trying to talk about how to engage in local rent control or something else smaller than global revolution.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I actually find the conversations on Lemmy to be a lot more educated and in depth than the ones I've seen on Reddit or Twitter over the years. Sure, you still get a couple raving idiots chime in to accuse you of crimes against humanity occasionally, but it's not worth fretting over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm really trying to see the point that it's not about right or wrong it's about DEPTH.

My discussion on smaller topics shouldn't get taken over by bigger scale until it's just useless, empty rhetoric.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Yup. That's why I started up a new community:

[email protected]

To quote our pinned thread:

Why did I make this community? Well, mostly in response to the rest of Lemmy and the way many otherwise interesting discussion threads fall apart into downvoting and groupthink.

I don’t like people making baseless accusations and defend people on all sides when people are wrong about their opposition. I hate it when people think they know what others think and project incorrect (and often evil) bullshit on each other. It’s important to maintain solid reasoning and conclusions, not just one or the other.

I hate people being wilfully wrong because their group fetishizes a certain angle of the truth instead of the boring reality of the situation.

Ideas are important and I don’t feel we can get out of the current shitty slump we’re in with political discourse unless we are able to clearly articulate ourselves and discuss the world we’re in.

You (and all of you who feel the way you do) are welcome. You won't always agree with everyone there. That's okay. We talk about it. We're grown-ups.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think this is mostly because it's a smaller community overall so when you're in those politically minded subreddits, it's all the same opinion. I think it'll change as lemmy grows and more people with diverse experiences and outlooks join the discussions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

While I agree, I will add that therein lies part of the problem. Many people will see those extreme reactions, decide no one is willing to hear any sort of dissenting opinion, and write off lemmy as a whole :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

First day on the internet?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Nuh-uh doodoo head!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Did we just have a different post on this topic a couple days ago? I can dig up my reply from the last thread but basically Lemmy and the fediverse is similarly bad for political discourse as the other social platforms because of the (semi)anonymous of social media and the fact we don't really have the mental bandwidth needed to devote time to have nuanced conversations with strangers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wish there was an option to judge the content independently of form. A 2 types of karma kind of system.

There are times I strongly disagree with the idea behind the post, but it's really nicely written. And then there are other times when I agree with the general gist of a post, but OP is still a dick and deserves a slap.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

It wouldn't matter. You could have 20 different metrics to rate a post and people would use all 20 to bury things they didn't like.

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